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#231732 - 02/23/06 12:38 PM Re: Chambering the fist [Re: Chen Zen]
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Hello Chen Zen:

<<some soft styles use this as a way to build power and chi in your center.

How so specifically?

J

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#231733 - 02/23/06 12:41 PM Re: Chambering the fist [Re: WuXing]
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Hello WuXing:

Are there other chambers (than the waist) in the assorted Chinese arts? What might different height/positons mean...?

J

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#231734 - 02/23/06 08:19 PM Re: Chambering the fist [Re: BrianS]
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Brian,
In most kung fu systems forms are for health and not fighting. I fought in the ring for five years in MMA fights, trained at the same boxing gym as Floyd Mayweather Jr. Out of all the things I have done for my health I believe forms to be the best. It's to bad you don't get more health aspects out of your forms.

Kevin

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#231735 - 02/24/06 02:42 AM Re: Chambering the fist [Re: pathfinder7195]
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Ronin what I was talking about was just principles and ways of generating power.Believe it or not it helps alot(for training purposes only).

The traditonal horse stance Shaolin drills helped me develop great rooting, leg strength, waist rotation power, and punch power.

Yin and Yang in this sense is simple, and not subtle or in-depth like in soft arts.Yang is the aggressive male side, while yin is the female/passive side. Punch out is the yang, and hand coming in is the yang. If you don't understand chinese philosophies and principles and how they apply to MA, then don't worry about it. As I said the palm facing upwards, eventually faces down (when punch is complete), this creates corckscrew force, and is very basic.The hand coming back you use to pull and simulate also exploding your waist forward (while thep pull hand side comes back)

In a fight, it is incorrect to have one side too much yang and too much yin, you want to have about a 60-40 distribution so that one hand isn't always all the way back while the other strikes, and it can't be exploited or used against you.

Other then everything else said and done, have fun, practice however you want
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#231736 - 02/24/06 07:16 AM Re: Chambering the fist [Re: BaguaMonk]
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Baguamonk,

Can you please explain this a bit more?

Quote:

In a fight, it is incorrect to have one side too much yang and too much yin, you want to have about a 60-40 distribution so that one hand isn't always all the way back while the other strikes, and it can't be exploited or used against you.




I am trying to understand what you mean by a 60 to 40 ratio and what it applies to.

Thanks!
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#231737 - 02/24/06 10:48 AM Re: Chambering the fist [Re: Fisherman]
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Another application in real dirty fighting on the street or against a skilled opponent we use this same motion to destroy limbs attacking our torso by using the elbow to meet/catch the attacking limb. Its a body shift and then movement just at the movement of contact.

This simple move against a powerful strike or kick can and I know will having you limping taking away one of his weapons. I'd advise against using this practice in classroom sparring unless you want a sparring session to turn into a war!!

Works better when chambered from the chest to the lower ribs, hip chamber needs more adjustments and not as natural but if the intent is to do destory you are not chambering. This is just one of the posture for the elbow.


Edited by Neko456 (02/24/06 11:03 AM)
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#231738 - 02/25/06 11:45 PM Re: Chambering the fist [Re: Fisherman]
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Hello Fisherman:

60-40 he spoke of typically describes weight distribution concerning feet. (ie 60% body weight on the front foot, 40% rear foot). In his specific example it potentially could be describing hands OR feet however. If his description was concerned with hand then the percentage would refer to emphasis (front hand vs. the rear) rather than weight per se I would think.

Does that help?
J

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#231739 - 02/26/06 08:45 AM Re: Chambering the fist [Re: Ronin1966]
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Very much!!
Thanks!!
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#231740 - 02/26/06 09:29 PM Re: Chambering the fist [Re: Fisherman]
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yup

I must say, that 60/40 for the legs is by far the most balanced leg position for sparring in many CMA's. Still got enough compression in back leg to suddenly spring forward (without telegraphing), and still got some shifting back that you can do on the front foot (from 40, to 0). 70/30 is common in xingyi and bagua, but 60-40 is acceptable too. Also 40 on front still allows to to push off front foot in case you need to move back quickly, and with enough training/conditioning can still kick without being weighed down too much.

Back foot should always be 45 degrees outawrds, that way your natural is a natural alignment, allowing the leg to come forward. Stepping forward (like xingyi), always turn your foot 45 degree outward, for kicks (so your leg comes forward naturally), and for springing forawrd. If you kick in this manner, your leg can thrust forwards, with no body hindering or shifting while kicking (which usually resulsts in imbalance).

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#231741 - 03/27/06 11:54 PM Re: Chambering the fist [Re: Victor Smith]
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I think it has to do with either trapping the hand and pulling the opponent into the punch for maximum damage and off-balancing the opponent making it difficult for them to counter.

Or it can simply be jamming the opponents extended hand or creating an opening in the gaurd while delivering a punch.

From a Karate perspective.

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