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#229758 - 02/11/06 03:37 AM PP newby here.
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Hi I'm a practitioner of TKD. I don't really know much about PP except for the few MA documentories that have demonstrated it. I have some articles on geaorge dillman and ZI've seen his book at barnes and nobles. The techniques he used looked a lot like jujitsu techniques.

Gavin I've read in one of your post that PP can work for all styles and that it would benefit a person who has a good knowledge and understanding of there particular style. Does this mean I can learn PP on my own? Or do I need some formal training to understand it?

Ex: I am experienced TKD practitioner, if I were to pick up a book on shotokan I could easily understand the book. HOwever, if I were to pick up a book on Aikido, I would probably be better off with some formal instuctions before I begin with a book.

Would this be the case with PP?
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#229759 - 02/11/06 03:40 AM Re: PP newby here. [Re: TeK9]
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If you dont mind I plan to ask my newb questions here, I read some of your post gavin and you seem fairly motivated when it comes to this subject, I figure you would be a good source of info for me. Sorry if my question will seem redundant, but I've read many post and most people post on here seem to have a strong understanding and I probably wouldn't understand the terms they are using when they are referring to meridians and section #'s for w/e PP they are referring to.
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#229760 - 02/11/06 04:31 AM Re: PP newby here. [Re: TeK9]
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Tek, as with anything formal instruction is key. If you were after learning the Kyusho side of PP's (not my field of epxertise) which is all the fancy K.O's and TCM side of things, then formal instruction is definately the way to go. However if you're prepared to have a poke around of your own accord and don't mind a bit of investigating I'm sure we can atleast help you find a few ouchy points! Feel tree to ask any questions you want....chances are they'll be questions other people will want to know anyway!

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#229761 - 03/23/06 10:36 AM Re: PP newby here. [Re: Gavin]
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From the advice I got from gavin and brians I've checked out Gearge Dillman. I've read his first book, the begginers book which talks about kata interpretation and pressure points. Very interesting stuff especially for me since I coe from a taekwondo background. We do not interpret our solo forms, we use mostly jujutsu/hapkido techniques for self defense. Also we don't focus on pressure points, mostly vital shots.

I've also just got my hands on Bruce Tegners: Self-defense, Nerve center and pressure points book, Earle Montaigue: Dim-Mak: Death pont striking book. I have yet to start reading them.
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#229762 - 03/23/06 10:57 AM Re: PP newby here. [Re: TeK9]
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Great Tek.....glad its going well for you!

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#229763 - 03/24/06 03:21 AM Re: PP newby here. [Re: TeK9]
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Maybe we can discuss some of the things you found out in the book?
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#229764 - 03/24/06 05:14 PM Re: PP newby here. [Re: TeK9]
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My original training was TKD and while I don't do that anymore, there are plenty of TKD people training PP. I think that what you will find is that as you increase your awareness of PP, you will find them built into your TKD and other techniques. If they are not obviously built in, you will find that you can improve them by adding PP. For example, if you take whatever your favorite wrist lock is, and apply the pressure from your grasp, focussing on PP, it will be more effective. You will have better control and easier management to get the turning in two directions and aim the energy where you want. I think of PP as a common denomenator.
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#229765 - 03/26/06 09:11 AM Re: PP newby here. [Re: TeK9]
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Probably the best information out there on PP is Erle Montaigue's stuff. His taiji boxing association is world wide, so you should be able to find one of his instructors somewhere near you for "real instruction".

He has both the best videos and printed material on the subject, and the biggest organization to help you utilize the teaching material.

Patrick McCarthy also has some good materials out there, so if you're going to "self teach" this stuff, read about 10 years worth of books on the subject and then find somebody stupid enough to let you damage their organs with pressure point strikes.

Kyusho jitsu strikes are advanced enhancements to good technique, not a substitute for it, so learn your art first, and then go searching for pressure point information.
There's nothing wrong with learning about them as you learn your technique, but learn it first and add the pressure points as you develop the accuracy to hit the tsubos with your techniques. You also have to learn how to stop the damage and resucitate your "victim", and in many cases, you can't stop the organ damage, you can only resucitate them, unless you're also an acupuncture specialist.

This stuff is dangerous if you don't have good instruction, to the point that some of the points even heart surgeons won't touch because it shuts down the body's systems. You might consider just sitting in a shed full of dynamite and playing with matches instead of this approach... at least if you kill somebody just trying something out, it'll only happen once.

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#229766 - 03/26/06 09:32 AM Re: PP newby here. [Re: wristtwister]
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I agree that "in person" instruction can not be beat. My personal opinion is that the specific organization that provides the qualified instruction is less importan than that it be in person. Check with all the reputable organizations. There are imposters out there. This has been a problem in the organization that my school is associated with (Kyusho International).

I apologize for not being that familiar with California. I am from Massachusetts. If you check Kyusho International site, you can find a list of their qualified instructors and study groups. A K.I. is also building a program for distance learning which is good if you can't find something in person. At minimum, go to conferences.

Other organizations will also have a list of their legitimate instructors available on their sites. Dillman International is another. Poke around these posts and you will find others like Rick Moneymaker (yes) Dragon Society. The Euro guys are good but folks like Rick Clark, who has some cool books, don't have much for instructors in USA. They do visit.
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#229767 - 03/26/06 02:57 PM Re: PP newby here. [Re: TeK9]
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Pessure Point arts seems to be the latest niche in the MA market. And people talk about sport tkd and grappling, someone should add up the revenue on these PP organizations.

Anyway guys, I'm not planning to self teach, I am just looking into this subject. To be honest I am not exactly sure it this stuff even works as good as it's advertised.So far I know about vital points but pp seems to be a more precise method of attacking. And I'm not a believer yet.

Someone mentioned accupuncture, well I know for a fact that accupunture works for some people and not for others. So that makes me wonder about pp. Besides right now I'm at the point where I like dealing with people who teach the art because they have a passion for it, not because they wanna make a buck off of it.

I'm just curious about wat this stuff is, so far I've read one book by George Dillman, and it's not like I bought the book, I down loaded it for free along with 4 other pressure point books. No way am I getting involved into a money hungry organization. I've read enough comments on this site to know about these things.

BrianS,

The Dillman book gave me insight to new approaches for the basic techniques, how they arn't just blocks and strikes but can be used for grappling and holds. I like the way the tecniques were presented seperately in application form, I am still not a big fan of putting them all together in a solo form though, I just feel using them seperatly is a far better way to teach a student rather than having them practice alone(solo patern). Because aplication requires a partner. And I just feel that its the best way to practice/teach self defense...with a partner.
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