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#229039 - 02/08/06 11:31 AM Teaching at a CAMP program???
Ronin1966 Offline
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Registered: 04/26/02
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Hello:

I was curious if other members had ever taught their arts in a summer camp environment? I was having a cnversation with a friend (on another site ) and she wasn't sure what to think... of the potential idea/job.

Have you ever taught in that environment> If so what was your experience about??? Pro's, cons... differences between typical classes and the summer camp routine? If not, what would you think might be altered by necessity or circumstance?

Thoughts, I will pass them along...
J

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#229040 - 02/08/06 01:18 PM Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? [Re: Ronin1966]
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I've never taught at a summer camp but I did attend Rick Faye's Wisconsin Camp a couple years ago and would be glad to describe the experience if you're interested.

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#229041 - 02/09/06 10:08 AM Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? [Re: ToddR]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Hello ToddR:

I would enjoy hearing what your experience, your perspectives concerning what martial arts instruction is while attending/instructing a summer camp. Hopefully others will chime in as well, offer their perspectives, experiences likewise... whether as students or instructors in a camp setting.

J

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#229042 - 02/09/06 10:40 AM Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? [Re: Ronin1966]
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The camp itself was extremely well-run. I believe Rick Faye has been holding this camp for over a decade so he and his assistant instructors from the Minnesota Kali Group (www.mnkali.com) have the whole thing down to a science.

You had the option to start the day early by going for a 3-mile run with the Seattle instructor, Andy Wilson from www.mkgseattle.com) or attending a yoga class with the fiance of one of Rick Faye's assistant instructors.

Then breakfast, followed by the morning workout. The topics varied from kali stick and dagger, kali double stick, muay thai, savate, panantukan, trapping, boxing, grappling, and perhaps a couple others I'm forgetting. Rick Faye, for those of you who don't know, is a full instructor under Guro Dan Inosanto, so his is a JKD school that bases its curriculum on the filipino arts with a wide variety of arts added to the base.

The sessions were three a day for about 2 1/2 to 3 hours each and went something like this:
Morning Session: 9 to 12
Afternoon Session: 2 to 5
Evening Session: 7 to 9:30/10:00

And, each, as I mentioned, covered a different topic or set of topics.

The camp was a good experience and the only downside was that I was very new to Kali and most of the other arts, particularly the kali stick and dagger routines called 'Numerado' and 'Sombrada' (I'm sure I'm misspelling those), and a lot of the weekend was spent working on kali, so I found myself getting frustrated during those sessions. The other sessions on grappling, boxing, and to a lesser degree muay thai and panantukan were more enjoyable because I had been working on those areas pretty diligently for the previous 6 months.

It was a lot like an extended seminar where you're getting a ton of material thrown at you and most of it is pretty advanced due to the high experience level of the people attending. I was one of the least experienced people there, though there were a couple other newbies I trained with. Most people there were senior students or instructors who had their own schools--people came from Germany, the UK, and all over the States.

A great group of people, though, and EVERYONE was extremely patient with me and very helpful.

My experience at the camp led me to this (brilliant!) conclusion: seminars and intensive training sessions like the Wisconsin Camp are great ways to immerse yourself in your martial art but if you're new to the art(s) (say, less than a solid year of hard training) then it's very easy to get overwhelmed by the advanced material and start to feel frustrated. At that point in one's training my personal feeling is that the best thing for you is to focus on training at your local school and working HARD on the basics. After you've been in the art for a year or two you'll benefit more from the seminars and camps.

Although, I realize it's important to attend these types of seminars if only to expose yourself to the unbelieveable talents of martial artists such as Dan Inosanto and Rick Faye. However, it felt a bit like starting college at age 14 - too much, too soon.

Hope this information was helpful.
Cheers.
ToddR

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#229043 - 02/09/06 11:06 PM Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? [Re: ToddR]
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wow...now THAT sounds like a great time. I was going to mention that I did actually host a 5-day camp for kids in Japan a few years ago. One interesting spin I put on it is that during classes, I refused to speak or let kids speak Japanese...it was all in English as part of the exercise. lol It was fun.

sorry, to drift the topic off...it was a good memory for me and the thread reminded me of it.

back on topic with the adult MA training camps...

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#229044 - 02/10/06 12:39 AM Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? [Re: Ronin1966]
Borrek Offline
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Quote:

Hello:

I was curious if other members had ever taught their arts in a summer camp environment? I was having a cnversation with a friend (on another site ) and she wasn't sure what to think... of the potential idea/job.

Have you ever taught in that environment> If so what was your experience about??? Pro's, cons... differences between typical classes and the summer camp routine? If not, what would you think might be altered by necessity or circumstance?

Thoughts, I will pass them along...
J




Every year our dojo has a summer camp, but it is for the kids classes. The adults show up for escort duty and for a late saturday kata session where were taught something we would otherwise not learn for a while.

The main focus is on fun and socialization since we have 4 separate dojos. The camp is a 2 and a half day event that is full of sparring, kata, and other "budo" games. We split the kids into around 6 teams of roughly equal abilities and face them off in games of kobudo pinata, capture the flag kumite etc.

Outside of martial arts activities we do the normal summer camp stuff like hiking, obstacle courses, swimming, and campfires.

It can be difficult to wrangle so many rowdy kids all at once but there is usually at least 8-10 kuro-obi present to keep things running smoothly.

The overall demeanor is much more relaxed than regular class so its a nice break from etiquette and hard core karate.

I guess the feasibility depends on your goal. Do you want to have a "karate vacation" or a hard core training experience that will be burned in muscle memory?

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#229045 - 02/10/06 02:12 PM Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? [Re: Ronin1966]
ToddR Offline
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I think this question is on-topic but please forgive me if it's not and I'll start a new thread. On the subject of martial arts camps, is anyone aware of any BJJ/grappling camps in the Philly/NJ/NY/Baltimore/DC areas?

More on topic--if anyone has taught or attended such a camp I'd be interested in your experience/recommendations/etc.

Thanks very much.
Todd R

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#229046 - 02/15/06 09:26 AM Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? [Re: Borrek]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Registered: 04/26/02
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Loc: East Coast, United States
Hello Borreck:
<<and other "budo" games.



<<kobudo pinata, capture the flag kumite etc.

Love the sound of the first two... any idea what some of the other "etc." would be specifically? She's definately leaning toward the idea...

<<It can be difficult to wrangle so many rowdy kids all at once

You mean more so than any normal "group kids" classes Outside at least the echos of their screams, and sillyness won't bother anybody...

<<but there is usually at least 8-10 kuro-obi present to keep things running smoothly.

What's the ratio kuro-obi to "monkeys" (sic. kids)???

<<I guess the feasibility depends on your goal.

I'll have to ask the lady see which concept is more in line. I'd imagine the former, with some ~sneaky training~ embedded within

J

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#229047 - 02/15/06 09:34 AM Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? [Re: Ed_Morris]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Registered: 04/26/02
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Hello Ed:

In point of fact, she was looking specificly for KIDS camps, the whats, hows, etc. but wanted whatever I was able to find regardless...

Reagrdless It's not ~off topic~ at all... it was a camp was it not??? You were in Japan hosting Japanese children an art of their ~heritage~ no less and required them to use English...... during classes ooooowch! (I love it...)
Always thought something done in COMPLETE silence for a day, or two might be productive/wild... can't conceive it with young ones but liked the concept anyway...

J

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#229048 - 02/15/06 09:42 AM Re: Teaching at a CAMP program??? [Re: ToddR]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Registered: 04/26/02
Posts: 3113
Loc: East Coast, United States
Hello ToddR:

Thank you... that was exactly the type/kind of material she seems to have been seeking.

<<seminars and intensive training sessions are great ways to immerse yourself but if you're new it's very easy to get overwhelmed

To enter each "class" you must either know the "secret" handshake for that ~room of the temple~ or clearly must challenge the "door keeper" (sic. monk)... never watched much Saterday Afternoon Kung-Fu Theater on TV did you ?

Would I be correct that the camp was specifically geared towards ADULTS, not the pre-teen youth crowd??? Grateful for the link provided, I'll check it and pass it along....

Grateful for you efforts & time that was wonderful,
J

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