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#228110 - 02/04/06 10:50 PM Gangs
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anyone know the weaponless arts of choice (if any) for Yakuza, Triads, Mafia, etc ? preferably, you won't use movies as a basis for your answer.

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#228111 - 02/04/06 10:59 PM Re: Gangs [Re: Ed_Morris]
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I think they just guns around where I live. Not too long ago Little Rock,AR was the murder capital of the U.S.,mostly from gang violence.

I'd say the weaponless art of choice is numbers. 10 vs. 1 etc.....Who can beat that?
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#228112 - 02/05/06 01:33 AM Re: Gangs [Re: Ed_Morris]
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anyone know the weaponless arts of choice (if any) for Yakuza, Triads, Mafia, etc ? preferably, you won't use movies as a basis for your answer.




My father was in the Hong Kong police force mid 50's to early 70's, and spent some time on their anti-triad task force. He has said on many occasions that the non-firearm related violence in hong kong consisted mainly of weapons of opertunity. Huge numbers of assault/affray using cleavers and kitchen utensils, but that the triad groups tended to have vested interests on the docks, and would weild power by infiltrating/intimadating the union and workforce. The weapon of choice if things went violent in that circumstance was a 15 inch 'scraper'- a heavy spike of steel with a razor sharp side to it designed for cleaning the hulls of ships. By using this,terms like self defence and 'weapon of opertunity' could be used, and with no one willing to speak out, many got away with it.

Outside of that, he saw used a length if chain, with a heavy spike on the end that could be 'whipped straight' like a short range retractable spear, also many of the enforcers would have built up a ridge of hard caloused skin across the knuckles and also what he describes as the 'karate chop' area, which I have always interperated as the shoto striking surface. He is of the belief that this was more for intimidation and image than use, as weapons were never far away.

As for the effective nature of these things, he could not say for sure, because if someone attempted to attack an officer,or involve themselves in an affray that caused danger to the public, they were instructed to use deadly force, so simply shot them before they got close enough to unleash their fists of fury


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#228113 - 02/05/06 02:29 PM Re: Gangs [Re: Cord]
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I have heard by word of mouth from someone who I believe to be in the know that the Yakuza use various Japanese arts, in particular Karate. I do not believe it is mandatory training however and I understand that it is usually secondary to weapon handling.

I've also heard that the Triad used to recruit impressionable youngsters out of MA schools in the countries around where I live as well as in Hong Kong. I do not know whether this is still happening.

Of course this is all word of mouth, I advise keeping away from those people who actually know for sure.
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#228114 - 02/06/06 10:16 AM Re: Gangs [Re: Leo_E_49]
who238 Offline
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Cow meat clevers are the choice for Triads. Melon knives and piont pipes are also favourates.

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#228115 - 02/06/06 10:57 AM Re: Gangs [Re: who238]
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I'm not so sure about most yakuza using karate. Some of them do Oyama style karate. Some of them have connections with very old styles of martial arts that are not public, for example a few schools of koppo.

The main weapons of yakuza are guns. They're about the only people in Japan to have them. Other weapons of yakuza include baseball bats, knives of any kind, and occasionally you get the traditional Japanese martial art weapons..But that is rare. Mostly just guns.

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#228116 - 02/06/06 11:21 AM Re: Gangs [Re: paradoxbox]
JoelM Offline
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May I ask the source of your knowledge, paradox?
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#228117 - 02/06/06 11:40 AM Re: Gangs [Re: JoelM]
funstick5000 Offline
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May I ask the source of your knowledge, paradox?




*paradox takes off left glove and shows pinkyless hand*
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#228118 - 02/06/06 08:50 PM Re: Gangs [Re: funstick5000]
paradoxbox Offline
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The source of my knowledge.. I asked some yakuza. They're easy to find, they have big tatoos all over their bodies.

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#228119 - 02/06/06 09:33 PM Re: Gangs [Re: funstick5000]
traz Offline
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Quote:

May I ask the source of your knowledge, paradox?




*paradox takes off left glove and shows pinkyless hand*




lol, just thought I'd note that this made me laugh :P
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