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#227553 - 02/21/06 02:43 PM Re: Point of the week Large intestine 4 [Re: Russell_Stutely]
jamesd Offline

Registered: 07/06/05
Posts: 145
Loc: Essex,England
Hi Russell,

Its interesting that you've mentioned LI2 and LI3 as pain givers because they're the points we use as a pain source when using our control and restraint, apart from nikkyo i've found that these points also work really well if you're applying a goose neck type lock, extremely painful and effective!


#227554 - 02/24/06 12:54 PM Re: Point of the week Large intestine 4 [Re: jamesd]
McSensei Offline

Registered: 06/15/05
Posts: 1069
Loc: Kent, England
OK, now I may be off target here but I cannot locate the points LI3 & LI2.
The LI4 point however, I've managed to locate and hurts like a mother******!

James, perhaps the next time I'm over your way you can demo on me points 2 & 3?

#227555 - 02/24/06 03:29 PM Re: Point of the week Large intestine 4 [Re: McSensei]
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Registered: 01/12/06
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either side of the knuckle on the forefinger on the edge, straight line from LI4.
Russell Stutely

#227556 - 02/24/06 04:24 PM Re: Point of the week Large intestine 4 [Re: McSensei]
jamesd Offline

Registered: 07/06/05
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Hi Tony,

I'll definately show next time we meet up! Gavin felt them applied the other day and i'm sure he'll vouch for their effectiveness!


#227557 - 02/24/06 04:59 PM Re: Point of the week Large intestine 4 [Re: jamesd]
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I think this might work best whilst applying a wrist or arm lock, even if you dont have the lock on properly (in whitch case you should work on your technique) you can still make em tap with this one, good one.
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#227558 - 02/28/06 05:44 AM Re: Point of the week Large intestine 4 [Re: jamesd]
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#227559 - 02/28/06 09:12 AM Re: Point of the week Large intestine 4 [Re: Gavin]
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I find LI 4 to be essential for getting control of the hand, particularly where mine are likely to be smaller than those of a an aggressor. As mentioned, the Nikyu puts it in very good position.

We also call the Nikyo an inside wrist lock. It is the lock where the wrist is locked in inward rotation, thumb is down (if uke is standing) and palm faces the outside. It helps the grab be more efficient. For even smaller hands, or teaching children who want to lock up the wrist of an adult, LI 3 is good as an alternative. It doesn't require as large a grip,and it allows you to lock up an additional joint, the base of the finger at the palm interface.
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