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#227160 - 02/14/06 03:59 PM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: KMX]
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Thats interesting. Do you mean movement in regards to footwork or combatives? Do you have any resources that illustrate this? How is it different from American Krav?

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#227161 - 02/14/06 04:07 PM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: umsangil]
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It is wrong to say that one is lacking of the other, I think RangerG covered that before. They are different in some ways, Krav In the US was enhanced to be used for the people and the situations of the United States. Israeli Krav was designed for Israel. That's the difference, one is not better then the other. It's a matter of what you are looking for out of the system.
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#227162 - 02/14/06 08:55 PM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: Dedicated1]
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Quote:

It is wrong to say that one is lacking of the other, I think RangerG covered that before. They are different in some ways, Krav In the US was enhanced to be used for the people and the situations of the United States. Israeli Krav was designed for Israel. That's the difference, one is not better then the other. It's a matter of what you are looking for out of the system.




That's pretty much what I meant by saying "vanilla". The US version is just that, a US version.

In fact, we had a guy join our class from out of town tonite who trains in vancouver with KMAA and he was commenting on the differences.

I'll put it this way: The guy is here in Miami on vacation and loves the instruction he got on Sunday, that he plans on doing more one on one private lessons before he goes back to Vancouver.

Even in my situation, learning with Rick and David and their style, I am sure it will not be the same as the whole experience I will get if and when I go.
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#227163 - 02/14/06 11:50 PM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: Dedicated1]
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Quote:

It is wrong to say that one is lacking of the other, I think RangerG covered that before. They are different in some ways, Krav In the US was enhanced to be used for the people and the situations of the United States. Israeli Krav was designed for Israel. That's the difference, one is not better then the other. It's a matter of what you are looking for out of the system.




Thats not what I am talking about..its not a matter of techniques its about a fluid style of movement that you really only see in Imi's direct students and some of the Israeli instructors you just dont see this "flavor" in Darrens org.

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#227164 - 02/14/06 11:52 PM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: KMX]
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also..you dont really see it in the european krav schools.

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#227165 - 02/15/06 06:57 AM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: KMX]
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Could you explain what you mean by fluid? Becuase to me, after reading what you posted is sounds like the US version is robotic and we more like boards..
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#227166 - 02/15/06 10:41 AM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: JasonM]
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Could you explain what you mean by fluid? Becuase to me, after reading what you posted is sounds like the US version is robotic and we more like boards..




The concept of retsev, was initiated and introduced into the IKMA curriculum by current IKMA grandmaster Haim Gidon.

It's the idea of constant movement, from one technique flowing thru to another and another and another, until your opponent is finished. Perhaps that's what he's referring to.

Like I said about the canadian fellow I met yesterday, he will be testing for leel 3 soon and was a bit behind and had no concept of retsev and the whole continuous movement thing.

I think that's what he may have meant. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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#227167 - 02/15/06 11:13 PM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: Plantman]
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I see the same thing with the Instructors that teach the US version. Any one who has been training long enough and has mastered the techniques and combatives can put them all together. When you transition into different attacks well, they seem to have a very fluent motion to them. It almost looks graceful, yet so violent. You've got to love it!
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#227168 - 02/22/06 07:47 PM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: Dedicated1]
casmor Offline
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Registered: 02/22/06
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Loc: Mexico City Mexico
Hi, I live in Mexico City, so a LA based organization is out of my range, but I think you can always ask your instructor where he was certified, and who trained him, so you can check it out. My instructor for instance studied for several years with the security chief of the israeli embassy in Mexico, so even when he don't have a diploma hanging on the wall, is something I was able to verify. Besides if you have ever practiced other combat system your experience can help to separate a good instructor from a bad one.
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#227169 - 03/13/06 12:15 AM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: casmor]
PSYOPS Offline
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Registered: 03/12/06
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Hello Krav Practitioners,

I am a licensed Krav Maga instructor. I was licensed in LA and I think that I can shed a little light on this issue. Krav Maga as you all know is one of the most aggressive systems on the market and we have been getting a lot of attention in the media lately. This is not an accident as it happens. The L.A. style of teaching is very different from that of the IKMF. There are reasons for this and they are really quite simple.

LIABILITY!

I know Mr. Levine as well as Mr. John Whitman. In America we live in one of the most litigious societies in the world. Mr.Levine is the Assistant District Attorney in Los Angeles. He is a lawyer folks. If anyone knows about liability trust me he does. This is why many of the techniques in the first 3 phases of Krav Maga are basic in nature. If a student gets into a confrontation and the other person is injured badly, regardless of fault the injury sustained is an issue in a civil proceeding. So to curtail the liability the program is scaled back at lower levels.

However once you grow in the system you will see many of the things from Grandmaster Imi's original text. Also many people tend to forget that the symbol of Krav Maga is purposely designed with a circle at either side of the Hebrew K and M. This represents the philosophy of openess. The system is constantly changing and therefore must remain open to interpretation.

Lastly,

Obviously the typical American citizen does not face the risks or dangers that our counterparts in Israel face. Training civilians in the same manner that soldiers are trained will no doubt leave the trainer in a position of vunerability when it comes to liability.

I hope this helps.

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