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#227140 - 02/03/06 05:40 PM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: wulfy]
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He no longer has a school(he was the first in the country to open one, back in the early 80's) but still teaches in the Philadelphia area. I can get his # if you wish.

I don't have our curriculum in front of me but I can tell you that our yellow belt material covered every single thing in the first 2 levels(yellow and orange) and some of the stuff in the 3rd(green) and 4th(blue).

If you the LA groups curriculum as Ranger G posted you will see that all of that, and more is covered in David Kahn's book and that's an intro to Krav.

Maybe my guy, having learned in Israel from the founder has something to do with the quality and knowledge of the instruction I receive. I'm not saying that the LA groups curriculum is bad, just a little more vanilla than the Israeli version. Heck I was learning gun and knife defenses at yellow belt. I believe that is not taught to you guys until the 4th level.

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#227141 - 02/03/06 06:25 PM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: Plantman]
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Plantman,

Thanks for responding.

We should normalize our relative training schedules before we can compare notes...

My baseline: I completed yellow belt in about 5 months, attending 4 hours/week, and orange belt in approximately 8 additional months, going 7 hours/week.

We've been introduced to knife and gun defense, as well as some other material, across yellow and orange belts, but they haven't been a focus of our training yet, and they certainly were not in our tests.

Does your system follow a similar advancement schedule? It seems like it would be difficult to master all of the techniques through gun and knife (especially knife) at yellow belt given a similar schedule. It takes most people some time just to get the fundamentals (mindset, footwork, combatives) down, which I think is the goal of our yellow belt.

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#227142 - 02/04/06 06:12 AM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: Plantman]
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I am having trouble comparing curriculum as the material is presented in units. Can you elaborate on the differences and what units are considered "Yellow" "Orange" etc..?

IKMF Curriculum

Here is the combined curriculum for all the different grades/levels together with those of the various instructor courses offered by our organization. The curriculum is divided to subjects (units), most of them appear here only by name.

KM levels is divided into 4 sections: Practitioner Levels (1-5) ; Graduate Levels (1-5) ; Expert Levels (1-5) ; and Master Levels (1-3)

In some places/countries KM students carry the "regular" colored belts.

(Units 1-4 are here in some details)


Unit 1: General Information and Theory
History of K.M. and of it's founder
Dealing with a dangerous event:
State evaluation, process of dealing with an event
Neutralizing a danger and all its aspects
Possible outcome of a violent conformation.
Principles underlying the defense techniques.
Principles underlying the attack techniques.
Training by principles - from techniques to real life variations
Using common objects for self defense -theory and practice.
Rhythm and pace.
Using /relying on natural reactions to correct or prove a point.
Principles and techniques of mental training.


Unit 2: Teaching Methodology; Human body
Basics of anatomy and physiology.
Correct instructing for instructors.
Lesson plan outlines & preparing.
Teacher student relationship.


Unit 3: Preliminary Considerations
Safety in training
Organization of training: methods of training
Dress and appearance
Maintaining the studio
Behavior during training
The warm-up
General principles
Exercises and variation
Approach to stretching and flexibility
Unit 4: The Basics
How to stand - different outlet stances
How to Punch : The basics use of body's weapons; make a fist; Theory of recoiling
Movement and shadow boxing
How to handle a fall
Fall breaks backwards & from high position
Side fall breaks
Soft/hard forward fall breaks
Rolls forward - high, low, sideways,
Roll backwards.
Rolling with assignments, Combinations of rolls and fall breaks
(The following units appear here by the subject's name only)


Unit 5 - Attacking with the Hands
Unit 6 - Attacking with the Legs
Unit 7 - Defenses against Punches
Unit 8 - Defenses against Kicks
Unit 9 - Releases from Grabs, Chocks & Holds at high level
Unit 10 - Releases from Grabs & Holds at medium level
Unit 11 - Releases with Throws
Unit 12 - Release from holds & grabs on the floor
Unit 13 - Leverages & Takedowns.
Unit 14 - Defense against attacks involving a stick / club.
Unit 15 - Defenses against attacks involving a knife (edged weapons).
Unit 16 - Defense against threats involving a knife (edged weapons).
Unit 17 - Defense against threats involving handgun.
Unit 18 - Defense against threats involving Submachine gun.
Unit 19 - Using common objects as weapons in defense against armed assailants
Unit 20 - Self defense against two assailants or more (armed with knife/stick or not armed)
Unit 20-25 - Military training units
Unit 26-30 - Law Enforcement training unites
Unit 31-33 - Additional units for Security and VIP Protection
Unit 34 - Self-defense for Children - Applications and transformations of the basic techniques and training methods for children.
Unit 35 - Self-defense for Women - Applications and transformations of the basic techniques and training methods for women.
Unit 36 - Fighting Drills.
Units 37-38 - Fighting Tactics and applications.
Unit 39 - Fighting in different positions & places.
Unit 40 - Ways and applications of mental training.
Unit 41 - 44 Training Methods for the above units.
Unit 45 - Simulations and scenarios, analyzing and training accordingly.
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#227143 - 02/04/06 07:27 AM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: RangerG]
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Is groundfighting usually taught on the side, or periphery of training based on the knowledge of the instructor and what they know from other training?
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#227144 - 02/04/06 08:55 AM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: RangerG]
JasonM Offline
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That is interesting Ranger. MY instructor, hasn't even mentioned history and the such. It sometimes makes me wonder why we aren't taught history and stuff about the founder.
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#227145 - 02/04/06 09:32 AM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: JasonM]
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Loc: Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
You should of heard basic background information about Krav Maga and it's founder at your first classes.. It is part of the lesson plan, and an important part at that. Every student should know the history of the MA form they are taking. I give my student's a brief history, if they need more I will talk to them outside of class or give them the resources to research it on their own. To give the complete history would take the entire class time if not longer. It is definaltly worth learning.
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#227146 - 02/04/06 09:59 AM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: Dedicated1]
JasonM Offline
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I was afraid of that, because my instructor doesn't do that. The only thing remotely close to history that I learned was how to pronounce Krav Maga.

HHmmm, dunno why he doesn't teach history. Anybody have any ideas why an instructor wouldn't? I would love to have Ranger swing by for a visit at my KM school and see first hand what our classes are about. But, I know that is a loong shot. I guess I will just have to read and learn KM history on my own... &
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#227147 - 02/04/06 01:04 PM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: JasonM]
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Registered: 04/18/05
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Loc: Chester County, Pennsylvania
Never know...Dedicated1 and I could show up anywhere...
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#227148 - 02/04/06 01:23 PM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: RangerG]
JasonM Offline
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#227149 - 02/04/06 02:10 PM Re: krav Maga Curriculum? [Re: JasonM]
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My god, why so much politics involved in Krav, it's insane. And I thought krav was krav, simple as that. Dont all the organizations cover the same material one way or another, I mean isn't this a lot of rucous for something as simple as when certain things are taught?
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