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#226400 - 02/10/06 08:10 AM Re: dynamic tension in kata [Re: shoshinkan]
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Hello Shoshin:

Thank you for your contribution....

Does Shorinryu (in whatever flavor) as you understand it have a Sanchin kata of their own??? What of comparable or parallel material(s)? I've been bombarded elsewhere with the ~Chinkuchi~ word as being the Shorin expression of the Sanchin idea...

Yet none unfortunately were able to articulate the SPECIFIC what & why in the manner of say a front kick. Both presumedly are fundamental technique (assuming your art possesses the chinkuchi idea) yet when asked to be as articulate, as descriptive of this "exotic" terminology most to date are badly unable...

Perhaps today will be different ?

When you speak of "internal strength" how does the tension strengthen internally precisely??? Both what exactly and how (or why) for that matter? You've got isometric (isotonic -always get the two confused) on the surface of the body intra & inter costal musculature around and between the ribs... but how does contracture "strengthen" internally exactly???


#226401 - 02/10/06 08:57 AM Re: dynamic tension in kata [Re: jamesd]
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Hello James:

Apparently far more work is required on my part if that is all you took from my genuine questions! I shall attempt to do better...

<<Actually my ultimate goal is to not be struck at all

As you perceive it can/does the dynamic tension become essentially melodrama in many cases??? Phrased another way is there a "middle ground" in terms of how this absorbing strikes (via dynamic tension) might occur? Even training severely, I have meaningful concerns over taking someones full-force blows in a blase manner which seems to be the core purpose of the iron shirt version of dynamic tension... Can I do it certainly... but is it wise/intelligent to ignore the potential power someone might possess seems dangerous hubris of the highest order... to my thinking at least.

Does that perspective, that view make better sense???


#226402 - 02/10/06 11:21 AM Re: dynamic tension in kata [Re: Gavin]
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Hello Gavin:

You badly, badly misperceived my intent with your analogy re: shooting.

If I perceive the method you use correctly it has a... staccato rhythm if you will to the fast-slow, fast-slow dynamic correct? A different speed/timing for the slow-dynamic than is used for the fast components correct?

What do you make of the single rhythm, the 4-4 speed consistantly throughout a particular dynamic tension kata? Many Uechi practitioners for example seem to have a far, far faster contraction cycle than their ~Goju cousins~? I was curious of your perspective as to that curious difference (ie can the contraction be done (& practiced for that matter) at combat speed)???

<<the contraction/release of contraction was probably a bit off topic and in relation to actual kata,

We read the thread header differently... but not a problem. The details IMO are what matter... I cannot use merely the "blanket" of ~dynamic tension~ without helping explain, examine the components, aspects of the bigger idea. If we only go that far (ie barely-merely surface level) things become clice, platitudes dangerously easily.

<<preparation of the body for this release....

Radical/heretical you think the "release" has inherent power within it? Most focus exclusively on the hard parts, what I call the ~dramatic~... anybody examine the ~other end~ of the action with the same vigor & systemic scrutiny??? I hear what you mean re: showing benefit via tension from the weight lifting parallels. I wonder given the physicality of peoples from the past, I wonder if the need for such an exercise was as great then, if at all???

<<it does good things by encouraging some celluar level thingys!

More O2, more blood so far I'm with you!

<<There is a shiatsu technique that involves the massage of the digestive tract...

Which triggering combatively would be baaaaaaaaaaaaaad!!! You can definately move things around literally manually, but the dynamic tension to do so??? If so now we're heading into the Hatha-Yoga and the assorted "locks" they use to move internal viscera around.

<<Just hunching up the shoulders as hard

Yup, which is why the release end to me at least is far more interesting, but almost never articulated in a deep way... tense, anybody can do tense... and see-feel tengible "power". But what about the comparitively (so called) soft-side with the release!!!! Ever seen anybody describe the subtle parts in a martial context as they always do the "hard"???? Pages and pages of materials always the dramatic hard pieces, but ever seen the soft described in nearly the same depth????


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