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#226220 - 01/30/06 12:35 PM Re: A distinction between Odds, Luck, and Skill. [Re: Chen Zen]
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I hate to dirty the water I still say, its not the technique its the when and where. As you mentioned the Axe kick is risky and not a street worthy techinque the way its performed (over the shoulder/head high) in sparring.

But in certain situatons its a sound technique, like when ending a encounter once the guys down on all fours or bent over on one knee covered. (In this prime situation you are behind him & he is staggered, trying to get up) You could risk striking him with your hands, knees, elbow or another kick. But an axe kick to the back of the neck or kidney will drop him like a sack.

In general I agree the axe kick is not a street worthy technique and way too risky, but in the right situation, at the right time, it would work, with, no luck or odds needed. Just a little skill.
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#226221 - 01/30/06 04:46 PM Re: A distinction between Odds, Luck, and Skill. [Re: Neko456]
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Geez, Neko how did I know SOMEONE was going to bust my chops on the kick mention. Yes it COULD work. What are the odds of it working compared to that of your average jab/right hook? Would you instruct a white belt to use it in defense of himself over a front kick or reverse punch? See where this is going? Just cause it can or may work doesnt mean its going to or should be attempted. Besides what are you doing kicking guys who are down?
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#226222 - 02/01/06 05:17 AM Re: A distinction between Odds, Luck, and Skill. [Re: Chen Zen]
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Hi Chen Zen.
I can see your valid point about giving people the wrong impression about techniques and when and where to use them.

How ever.I think in "certain situations" the axe kick would and does work but, as you so correctly said, not in every situation. The right technique at the right time.

Just because a man is down doesn't mean he is finished.
One example being boxers often get knocked down or knocked through the ropes.
Then, after a count of ten, they still continue and some times win the fight.

In the scenario Neko described using other techniques might end up in a grappling match.Not the best place to grapple on the streets.
The attacker might be faking or armed but as yet hasnt used his weapon.

If a person attacks another person then the attacker takes the consequences.

Stunning,slowing down or knocking a person off balance might be the first thing to go for.

Then the knockout.

My experience has taught me that knocking an attacker out isnt easy when both fighters are throwing shots.Can be done but difficult.

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#226223 - 02/01/06 07:54 AM Re: A distinction between Odds, Luck, and Skill. [Re: andy4]
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Quote:

...I think in "certain situations" the axe kick would and does work but, as you so correctly said, not in every situation. The right technique at the right time...




Guys: In a nutshell, that's what it boils down to.
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#226224 - 02/01/06 01:28 PM Re: A distinction between Odds, Luck, and Skill. [Re: MAGon]
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Chen Zen I hope you dont mind me posting this on here. Thanks.

Just to keep this topic going.

Why in this scenario an axe kick or semi axe kick?
and not some other kick? or even other another form of attack?

I think as well as some of the none kata/forms fighting arts , some traditional karate, kung fu and ju jitsu kata's hold some of the answers to these questions.

There are a number of counter attacks that are done from the floor ending in painful and/or injured foot, leg, testicle, face/head and throat damage.

The axe kick can be done with minimum risk of a counter attack.

Could any body come up with any counter techniques from the floor in this given scenario if the axe kick wasnt used?

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#226225 - 02/01/06 01:34 PM Re: A distinction between Odds, Luck, and Skill. [Re: Chen Zen]
andy4 Offline
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I used the wrong reply box.

Chen Zen I hope you dont mind me posting this on here. Thanks.

Just to keep this topic going.

Why in this scenario an axe kick or semi axe kick?
and not some other kick? or even other another form of attack?

I think as well as some of the none kata/forms fighting arts , some traditional karate, kung fu and ju jitsu kata's hold some of the answers to these questions.

There are a number of counter attacks that are done from the floor ending in painful and/or injured foot, leg, testicle, face/head and throat damage.

The axe kick can be done with minimum risk of a counter attack.

Could any body come up with any counter techniques from the floor in this given scenario if the axe kick wasnt used?

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#226226 - 02/02/06 12:40 AM Re: A distinction between Odds, Luck, and Skill. [Re: andy4]
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If he is on the ground, run away :/

(looking at my past 3 post, I am pretty cowardly)
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#226227 - 02/02/06 01:57 PM Re: A distinction between Odds, Luck, and Skill. [Re: andy4]
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The Axe kick is a bigger motion and a winding technique compared to the front kick or striaght punch, it has limited general use and I'm assuming this is why he mentioned it in particular. My scenario made it a prime technique because the body position is optima for good results with it. 1 reason is he can't see it coming, another he maybe expecting something else.

Odds are better using smaller motion (KISS)techniques, I see his point but I see why we train for different situations all if not most techniques have merits.

I also see yours too, some Kung-fu, Silat and (a lot MAs) just because their on the ground doesn't mean it safe to attack them. Some of them fight better from the ground!! IMO.

Zen wrote - Besides what are you doing kicking guys who are down? Because thats how I do it, if I see him still as a threat. You know its true. You R not trying to kill or miam, just take his will away.


Edited by Neko456 (02/02/06 02:02 PM)
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