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#224432 - 01/21/06 10:24 PM Combining krav with traditional arts?
Stormdragon Offline
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From what I know of krav it seems to be a very modern style system with many similarities to MT and kickboxing even JKD but is very very different from traditional arts like karate and TKD. The problem is I love krav and MT but i also love TKD and karate so how does a person blend these arts together without simply ending up in a jumble of confusion. These systems have different techniques for dealing with different situations so how do you deal with that?
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#224433 - 01/22/06 06:20 AM Re: Combining krav with traditional arts? [Re: Stormdragon]
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Fighting is fighting. It doesn't matter what system you're learning, the reality of things never changes.

Learn everything and decide what works for you and what doesn't. Ultimately you need to formulate your own style of doing things, which should be constantly improving based on your experiences and exposure to the experience of others.

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#224434 - 01/22/06 08:12 AM Re: Combining krav with traditional arts? [Re: Stormdragon]
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Krav is my base form. I add to it by attending various seminars in other techniques, and training with people from other forms.

I have taken (so called) dirty fighting and dirty grappling, Mixed Martial Arts (Bas Rutten System and Team Quest), JO Staff and BJJ. While you may see 75 things at a seminar, you are lucky to grasp about 5 of them, so I keep my eye on anything that may help me with a particular weakness I have.

That said, when you attend a number of seminars, you begin to see the same things as there is only so many combinations of moves...no matter the method/form. Like training at your dojo/gym, you start to blend these skills in to your style.

I have been to one of the Fightingarts get togethers, and going to attend the next one in Feb. I walked away with one new thing last time, I expect the same this time around.

I have also trained with MattJ (moderator), and let me tell you he is one awesome training partner. A very skilled instructor and advanced martial artist in his own right. He takes a lot of time to study my moves, give opinions and suggestions, and work on my weaknesses. If there is a move I have a problem with due to physical limitations, he helps me find a way to work around it. He is also an objective opinion from outside my training system. He is also a good friend. Not bad for one of them AKK folks...

I am cautious of one thing. I respect my Instructor and the head of our school, so I do not teach what I have learned outside our school to any of the other students. I attend the seminars and train with others here to add to my own skill sets. It they want to know what I know..they can attend seminars.

As far as I know, only my Instructor, the head of the school and I attend seminars. None of the other students seem interested.

After I advance another level, I intend to add another form to my training. I think I can keep them apart in my head. At this point it is between TKD and JKK. I have decided not to persue BJJ other than seminars because it kills my joints at my age. I wish I could, as there is one point of ground fighting I am weak in.

I wish I were wealthy so that I could train every day.
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#224435 - 01/23/06 12:16 AM Re: Combining krav with traditional arts? [Re: RangerG]
Stormdragon Offline
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Quote:

Krav is my base form. I add to it by attending various seminars in other techniques, and training with people from other forms.

I have taken (so called) dirty fighting and dirty grappling, Mixed Martial Arts (Bas Rutten System and Team Quest), JO Staff and BJJ. While you may see 75 things at a seminar, you are lucky to grasp about 5 of them, so I keep my eye on anything that may help me with a particular weakness I have.

That said, when you attend a number of seminars, you begin to see the same things as there is only so many combinations of moves...no matter the method/form. Like training at your dojo/gym, you start to blend these skills in to your style.

I have been to one of the Fightingarts get togethers, and going to attend the next one in Feb. I walked away with one new thing last time, I expect the same this time around.

I have also trained with MattJ (moderator), and let me tell you he is one awesome training partner. A very skilled instructor and advanced martial artist in his own right. He takes a lot of time to study my moves, give opinions and suggestions, and work on my weaknesses. If there is a move I have a problem with due to physical limitations, he helps me find a way to work around it. He is also an objective opinion from outside my training system. He is also a good friend. Not bad for one of them AKK folks...

I am cautious of one thing. I respect my Instructor and the head of our school, so I do not teach what I have learned outside our school to any of the other students. I attend the seminars and train with others here to add to my own skill sets. It they want to know what I know..they can attend seminars.

As far as I know, only my Instructor, the head of the school and I attend seminars. None of the other students seem interested.

After I advance another level, I intend to add another form to my training. I think I can keep them apart in my head. At this point it is between TKD and JKK. I have decided not to persue BJJ other than seminars because it kills my joints at my age. I wish I could, as there is one point of ground fighting I am weak in.

I wish I were wealthy so that I could train every day.




Thanks that helps, one thing i tend to do is try to create a set pattern and formula with my techniques but the problem is i have several of these for eery situation what could i do about this?
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#224436 - 01/23/06 06:41 PM Re: Combining krav with traditional arts? [Re: Stormdragon]
ShikataGaNai Offline
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Registered: 08/27/05
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Loc: Bellingham, WA
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Thanks that helps, one thing i tend to do is try to create a set pattern and formula with my techniques but the problem is i have several of these for eery situation what could i do about this?





Narrow it down to the one that works best, my man! ... and if you can remember them all, I sure hope we never butt heads

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#224437 - 01/23/06 10:01 PM Re: Combining krav with traditional arts? [Re: Stormdragon]
Taison Offline
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I advise you to put every technique you have in your personal arsenal into the "process".

Take a technique, prove it's usefulness, simplicity and readability, then if it doesn't pass, drop it. If it pass, keep it. Remember, no need to have interlapping techniques. You don't need two styles of side-kicks. Stick to the one that works best for YOU.

Another pointer. Techniques should be simple, effective and usefull. Artfull, flashy techniques are for movies and demonstrations.

-Taison out
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#224438 - 01/25/06 04:54 PM Re: Combining krav with traditional arts? [Re: Taison]
Stormdragon Offline
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Yeah, I see what you mean, good point, I have a habit of wanting to stick to every style i come across without deviation so the techniques get in the way of each other, I'm going to just sit down and evaluate all the techniques I know, and test them and then document the ones that are the most effective, and systemize what I know. How does that sound?
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#224439 - 01/25/06 11:04 PM Re: Combining krav with traditional arts? [Re: Stormdragon]
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-Taison out
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#224440 - 01/27/06 07:01 PM Re: Combining krav with traditional arts? [Re: Taison]
Stormdragon Offline
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-Taison out




Hey Who are you laughing at???!
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#224441 - 01/28/06 11:11 PM Re: Combining krav with traditional arts? [Re: Stormdragon]
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over a hundred views, you'd think there would be a few more replies.
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