Harlan, Chin Na is actually part of most chuan fa styles and is prevalent in crane systems. Since Goju's ancestry includes crane, it is only reasonable to see many chin na moves throughout goju. I have a feeling you already know this, but the newbie that posted the first question may not.

Many years ago, before I had looked into chin na, I used to say Goju had "ju jitsu like techniques". Then I found the joint locks, takedowns and throws were from something that predated ju jitsu and got my facts straight.

If you look into chin na from crane and tiger systems, you'll see many moves right out of different goju kata.

One comment on cxt's post- you can have hard kime AND still move in a flowing manner. There is no doubt watching may Sensei and some other senior practitioners you can have both.

That hard kime and flowing at the same time...I attribute it to practice that includes 'stuff' (for lack of a better word...still a newbie at one year ) from CMA. Like Baqua, Tai Chi, etc. Kimo sensei introduced 'gong li' into our Goju practice. Learning about it was like having a mental key turned...

Hmmm...reading over this thread, SamW's comment rings louder. With only a year or so of Goju now, I re-read the comments differently than the 'newbie' that made the original post. For one, CVV's term 'fa jing' totally went over my head a year ago. It's been a year of trying to wrap my brain around understanding the movement between stances/punches. 'What is it'...how to unpack and define this huge amount of information that I see happening in-between. I learned a new word this week that helps, 'fa jing', and it was here in this thread all along.

(Dumb newbie )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxxebP0u31g

Harlan,

Kimo Sensei is a wonderful teacher. The inclusion of Gong li is something I think can only benefit your goju. One of his students out here in Colorado, Ole, is fun to watch because of the effect the gong li has had on his goju.

As for fa jing, down the road you'll come to realize this is one of the many benefits of correct Sanchin training.

Small world. See PM.