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#224093 - 01/22/06 12:32 PM Re: Submissions on the street [Re: BigRod]
butterfly Offline
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 3012
Loc: Torrance, CA
I think CXT, Fletch and BR addressed the situation perfectly, especially Fletch with regards to training.

Some folk have a weird, almost tangible need to see what they can do on the "street" without appreciating the resposibilities of their actions and understanding that despite how good you are, crap moves down stream pretty quickly.

In other words, train as best you can and enjoy it for the long term.

Kind of funny that all the old masters of whatever art that had actually used their skills in real fights say similar things: enjoy what you are doing; be a better person; and if you don't have to, don't do it.

-B

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#224094 - 01/22/06 10:09 PM Re: Submissions on the street [Re: 1neikoot]
IronBones Offline
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Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 67
Loc: Ashland Illinois
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Lets say you manage to pull off a submission on the street. Would you go all the way and choke him out, break his arm or even kill the guy? One problem I see is when the guy taps out and you instinctively let him go, you might be in for some trouble. Another problem is say your opponent is begging to let go, "I give up", or "okay you win", assume that you feel sorry for the guy and trust him, so you let him go and your opponent still wants to attack you. So would you just go all the way with the submission on the street?




Break'm.

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#224095 - 01/23/06 04:06 AM Re: Submissions on the street [Re: butterfly]
masterfoofighta Offline
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Registered: 11/18/05
Posts: 61
yeah.i agree with butterfly here.training is still best!

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#224096 - 01/25/06 03:44 PM Re: Submissions on the street [Re: 1neikoot]
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When posed with such a question I like to refer to Bruce Tegner's Complete Bookk of jujitsu. Here Mr. Tegner states
"I question the practicality and necessity of learning every defense with a restraint technique. Only law enforcement and security personnel are required to restrain and hold an assailant or suspect; the lay citizen has no such responsibility."(Tegner,p.16)

Our first responsibility is to escape.
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does not surpass his
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#224097 - 01/28/06 05:28 AM Re: Submissions on the street [Re: TeK9]
JamesLightningBolton Offline
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Registered: 04/18/05
Posts: 77
Loc: Victoria Australia
if you are in a fight with somebody, what makes you think they are going to go easy on you and not break your arm given the opportunity to do so? haha, you get an armbar, figure 4 etc... rip it right outta place, snap it in half... its no longer a submission lock but it becomes more so that you are looking to disable the person.

Not sure who said it either, but i dont think anyones going to fight back after they've had their arm snapped.. come on

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#224098 - 01/28/06 08:04 AM Re: Submissions on the street [Re: JamesLightningBolton]
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Not sure who said it either, but i dont think anyones going to fight back after they've had their arm snapped.. come on




It's not always about fighting back. It's about what happens after. And, how do we KNOW that guys won't continue to fight? I know of a few pro fighters that continued to fight with a broken arm (of of them won by knock out with the OTHER arm, lol).

Maybe they'll just not face the person up next time and be sneakier about it. Maybe next time it'll be an ambush. Maybe he'll use a weapon, etc.

If the guy got beat straight up, there are other ways of going about it. Maybe he knows he can't win and decides to approach it from another angle. It happens.

Not always is it taken from the "legal" angle (lawsuits, etc). Sometimes (quite often) it's "revenge" (the "semi-auto out of the rolled down car window at a red-light", etc). Sounds like its right out of the movies but, does art imitate life or vice versa?




-John

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#224099 - 01/28/06 07:57 PM Re: Submissions on the street [Re: JKogas]
JamesLightningBolton Offline
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Registered: 04/18/05
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Loc: Victoria Australia
yeh sure, your pretty right. But i dont think if i was in the middle of a fight where my life is in danger i would think to myself, " gee i better not hurt him to bad incase he gets angry and comes back another day for revenge" Take life day at a time and roll with the punches.. seriously, in any situation take what you can get.. but ofcourse the last place you want to be in a fight is on the ground, give everything while standing and if your gonna hold back because you dont want to hurt them to much incase they get angry well.. hahaha... that just sounds funny saying that!

oh.. im not trying to take a stab at you either JKogas im sorry, i just disagree with your opinion on this.

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#224100 - 01/29/06 11:18 AM Re: Submissions on the street [Re: JamesLightningBolton]
JKogas Offline
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yeh sure, your pretty right. But i dont think if i was in the middle of a fight where my life is in danger i would think to myself, " gee i better not hurt him to bad incase he gets angry and comes back another day for revenge"....





That isn't what I was saying though.

Quote:

Take life day at a time and roll with the punches.. seriously, in any situation take what you can get.. but ofcourse the last place you want to be in a fight is on the ground, give everything while standing and if your gonna hold back because you dont want to hurt them to much incase they get angry well.. hahaha... that just sounds funny saying that!

oh.. im not trying to take a stab at you either JKogas im sorry, i just disagree with your opinion on this.




I understand your point and I don't disagree. I wasn't saying not to hurt someone (if one "can" and one HAS to)...only to understand that it's usually not that simple and that there are always consequences that some never consider.

-John

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