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#224015 - 01/23/06 12:36 AM Re: coffee before working out [Re: Cord]
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I dont agree with stimulant use in conjunction with exertion




Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion. But being an extremely knowledgable poster here, you just caught me off guard, that's all

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What you have there is a very technical way of saying 'caffeine works, but we havent a clue why!'




Very true, but that's not a reason not to use it, by any means. I'd have to say up to 75% of the prescription drugs listed in the Compendium of Pharmaceuticals and Specialties (The PDR of Canada) are in the "mechanism unknown" category. They know it's safe, they know it works, but they don't know why.

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That is why i dont skip along to starbucks before a workout, anymore than i pop a handfull of ephedrine capsules, snort a line of coke, or drop a speedball




C'mon, that's weak. You can't group coffee/caffiene with drugs like that. There's a huge difference between a safe ergogenic and a dangerous illict drug, regardless if both are classified as stimulants.

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It is my personal opinion based on common sense that using a substance that raises resting heart rate, blood pressure, and acts as a diuretic, presents a significant risk as great as any percieved performance improvement it offers.




Risk? All the studies I've ever seen prove its one of the safest ergogenics around. It causes no electrolyte imbalance secondary to its MILD diuretics properties (which is easily nullified by proper hydration in the first place), and while having beta-1 and beta-2 receptor action, it's NO where near the same effect as ephedrine. Cocaine induced cardiac arrest? Sure. Ephedrine-related stroke? Very possible.

Coffee-related death? Um, no, sorry. Maybe coffee-induced jitters, lol, but then you've known you've had too much anyways.

Is there potential for harm? Of course, as with anything. But drinking too much water or eating too much whey will kill you also.

Know anyone with asthma, and they hit on a salbutamol MDI prior to going to the gym? Well, it's got more cardiovascular side effects than a cup of coffee, yet it's perfectly safe for an athlete with exercise-induced asthma to use.

Like I said, if it's your personal opinion, fine. But don't call it "significantly risky" in any way, because it isn't.

It's safe. It works. Period.
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#224016 - 01/23/06 04:41 AM Re: coffee before working out [Re: MikeMartial]
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Prior to a medical, a fitness test, or a elecrostat bodyfat test, it is standard protocol to ensure the avoidance of caffeinated drinks as it renders all readings/tests about as accurate as fairground fortune teller.
'Red Bull' and equivalent high caffeine/taurine drinks have been cited as contributory factors to several fatalities worldwide, and are illegal in Chille!

As for the caffeine/illegal stimulant connection being 'weak', well essentialy the stresses placed on the body are very similar- much less intense I grant you, but still similar.
The reliance on coffe as a staple part of the daily diet is an obsession that was until fairly recently peculiar to the north americas and their sacred 'pot of joe', now the whole western world seems to believe its incapable of surviving an hour without a cup of coffe
I dont think a cup of coffe is the greatest evil in the world, but it is a stimulant legal/illegal they are what they are. Alcohol is a legal and almost encouraged part of british culture, but its still harmful if abused. Same with coffe. How many times do you hear someone say 'i just cant start my day without a coffe?' or 'I have a lot on, its gonna be a 3 pot day'? A dependance, physical or psychological on a stimulant, legal or illegal, is not a good thing. Especialy if that dependance and continual intake results in continual artificial elavation of heart rate and blood pressure at rest.

People suffering heart conditions/desease are strongly advised to abstain from caffeine due to this additional stress.

As for the scientific research and its validity, you presented an article as conclusive research of caffeine's harmless benefits. I simply pointed out that behind the jargon lay nothing but hypothesis and conjecture.

Having clarified this allows people to make an informed choice, rather than taking something as gospel truth due to the use of scientific vocabulary.
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#224017 - 01/23/06 02:07 PM Re: coffee before working out [Re: Cord]
MikeMartial Offline
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Points well taken, Cord. Just wanted to clarify our side, not butt heads.

Here an excellent article on Caffeine

It gets into more mechanisms of action in greater detail, as well as precautions and side effects. A great read.
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