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#222232 - 01/15/06 07:20 PM Re: TKD traditional training methods [Re: TeK9]
Paulol Offline

Registered: 05/11/05
Posts: 112
My mentor Prof. Rick Clark has trained with the Jays for quite a while.

What I was aiming at thought is that the more trad stances are better used for throwing and locking than the usual striking. A sitting or horse riding stance is great for keeping you upright after hip tossing someone. A walking or front stance is good for meeting and redirecting forward momentum, L-stances are good for pulling or bushed back etc etc...

what you do with your brother sounds great!!

it reminds me of my early days out the back garden with my best buddy knocking eachother around

#222233 - 01/20/06 01:05 PM Re: TKD traditional training methods [Re: TeK9]
matxtx Offline

Registered: 07/12/05
Posts: 700
Loc: england
yea ,deep lunging stances arnt realistic.though thats not the point.its a bit like if someone said you need to do 10 pressups for a would be better to train to do 40 so that you will definity get the 10 if i train the traditional stances,when i need a steady stance ill get into one without thinking because iv trained over what i need.i beleive this can be said for all the traditional techniques.over compensating to make sure you at least get some kind of stance ,or strike or block,power etc...early on in training its best to do the full move,as you progress becoming free'er.
i was watching some muay thai and when the guy dug in and threw a lot of punches he planted his feet and was in a fairly wide stance for the little time he was piling into the other some fighting and yourl see,even if its a split second.
of course it also shows too that theres other ways to be able to get good stances and strikes without doing traditional things or forms.though i think thats more to do with moving forward in knowlegde of body science and figuring others maybe quicker ways because as humans we do move forward and want it doesnt mean though that traditional training is of no just means traditional training is missunderstood.
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#222234 - 01/20/06 05:16 PM Re: TKD traditional training methods [Re: Prizewriter]
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The thing to remember here is that one of the main aims of Eastern Martial arts was to better oneself.

In Iaido for instance, there is no freeplay, no room for individuals to do what they feel like.

Now to the untrained eye, this may seem pointless, and not very useful.

But the underlying philosophy behind this is that we, as human beings, can sometimes just do what we feel like, and not what we should. Iaido teaches that you must perfect yourself by doing things that you may not want to, but, are ultimately good for you. You learn to do what you should, not what you want.

So to is it the same in arts such as Shotokan and Tae Kwon Do. Perfection is a habit. Practice front stances, perfecting them as best you can with all effort, and you can learn that with equal effort all things in your life can also be perfected, because you do what you should, (what is good for you), not what you feel like (which is not good for you a lot of the time, e.g. sitting in front of the TV and eating chocolate because you feel like it.)

Hope this helps!

Prizewriter, there is a lot of wisdom in those words. That is what I try to stress to my students. Martial arts in general is about sacrifice and doing the things you may find boring over and over again until they are perfected. It's the same with every art from taekwondo to bjj.
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#222235 - 01/20/06 11:51 PM Re: TKD traditional training methods [Re: Moogong]
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Registered: 11/27/05
Posts: 47
I am a firm believer in the importance of training in the basics and fundamentals of martial arts throughout one’s martial arts career, regardless of belt rank. These basics form the foundation of everything else you will ever learn in the realm of martial arts. In every class I teach we practice punching from a sitting stance (single, double, and triple). We then practice basic motion which includes punching and blocking while stepping into a walking (front) stance up and down the length of the dojang. Basic kicks from a walking stance are also practiced. None of these things will ever be used in a real life self defense situation, or even in a sparring situation for that matter. So why do we spend so much time practicing these techniques?

Earlier I said that these techniques form the foundation of tae kwon do. A foundation is an often underappreciated thing. Think of the foundation of your house. Actually, first think of your house. What do you do there? You sleep, you eat, you relax, you play games. Let me ask then, have you ever slept directly on your foundation, have you ever eaten a meal directly off of your foundation, have you ever played a game while sitting comfortably on your foundation? Do you even know what your foundation is made from (concrete block, poured concrete, concrete slab or other)? I would venture to say that the person who built your house cared a lot more about the foundation of your house than you do. But without the foundation, your house would not be there.

This to me is what the basic training methods are all about. I care very much about the soundness of my student fundamentals, even if they cannot yet see the value of them. I understand that it takes a great deal of time to perceive how practicing movements that you will never make in a practical application can benefit you in a real life situation. This is the nature of martial arts, and having faith in one’s instructor. I have mentioned in some of my earlier posts that there are things that can be taught ant things that must be learned…this is one of the latter. Natural athletic ability can take you a great distance in the martial arts. However, you will eventually encounter someone with as much or more ability than yourself. This is when a strong foundation will mean the difference between winning and losing.

In closing let me say that this is a very important topic to me. If you have a qualified instructor, there will be a reason for everything you do in the course of your training, whether you realize it or not. In a very simplified form, I see it this way: basic motion builds a bridge to forms, forms build a bridge to one/three step sparring, one step sparring forms a bridge between forms and sparring, and sparring builds a bridge to real life situations. As I said this is a very simplified view, but one that often helps my students understand why they are learning what they are learning.

SaBum Nim

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