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#221546 - 01/25/06 02:23 PM Re: Torso points? [Re: BrianS]
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A poster in the kata forum asked about the u punch,better known as the double punch. It's basically a cross torso punch,one high and one low 45degrees across from eachother.
What would be some good striking points for this move? What does it do?


What Kata is this in??

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#221547 - 01/25/06 05:54 PM Re: Torso points? [Re: Gavin]
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#221548 - 01/26/06 04:44 AM Re: Torso points? [Re: Paulol]
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A poster in the kata forum asked about the u punch,better known as the double punch. It's basically a cross torso punch,one high and one low 45degrees across from eachother.
What would be some good striking points for this move? What does it do?


What Kata is this in??




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#221549 - 02/03/06 12:12 PM Re: Pressure Points 'R Us! [Re: Gavin]
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Recently a have seen a combination of a hit combination to the lower arm (upper side), near the elbow joint.
Then a normal 'seiken' to the same body side nipple.
Then a palm hit to the opposit nipple(region).

The fellow went down quite quick.
But I don't recall what the exact points were.

Maybe someone could help out.
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#221550 - 02/04/06 05:05 AM Re: Pressure Points 'R Us! [Re: Ives]
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Hello Ives,

Are you describing a 3 strike combination with the first two techniques being executed from the same arm?

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#221551 - 02/05/06 11:16 AM Re: Pressure Points 'R Us! [Re: Paulol]
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hi paulol.
whats the earliest ITF pattern that realistic pressure point application can be found in.?
can you tellme some out of dan gun to give me an example please.
also do you have ideas on the 1st DAN pattern Po-Eun and some applications of the strange techniques where its like your taking your own pulse.and the the other where you hammer fist your open hand at groin level?......iv been told they could be blocks with one hand reinforcing the blocking arm...maybe they are pressure point stuff...?
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#221552 - 02/06/06 07:25 AM Re: Pressure Points 'R Us! [Re: Ives]
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To be honest Ives I don't really pay much attention to those sorts of demo's as I don't think they have much chance of working in real combat. The point near the elbow were either LI10 or LU5....as for the ones in the torso there are numerous ones that could have been used, would really need to see the K.O to even hazzard a guess.

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#221553 - 02/06/06 08:27 AM Re: Pressure Points 'R Us! [Re: matxtx]
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hi paulol.
whats the earliest ITF pattern that realistic pressure point application can be found in.?



My mentor (Prof.Rick Clark) has a book called "75 Downblocks" with 75 applications for this most common of movements in patterns. So taking this as an example you can get plenty of sweet applications and use PP's from the 4 directional punch! Here's a nice one from a buddy of mine called Matt Sylvester of Practical TKD.

1. Move forward right leg walking stance obverse punch
1.a You use the ready position of the left hand raising as a block to a right punch from your attacker.
1.b Move forward with the right leg and shoot your "punch". If you hit with your punch cool! But if you miss then it don't matter...
1.c ...cause your gonna bring your arm over the left shoulder of the attacker.
2. Turn to left and move back left leg walking stance low block.
2.a Think of the ready position for low block for this bit!! Bring your right fist back into the base of the neck at GB20 ( http://www.acuxo.com/meridianPictures.asp?point=GB20&meridian=Gall%20Bladder ) the one on your left facing them would be better but it really don't matter.
2.b At the same bring your left hand up acorss the neck points like ST9 ( http://www.acuxo.com/meridianPictures.asp?point=ST9&meridian=Stomach ). This is done with a rubbing action and on the right side of the neck. Though you can just punch and push your arm across from left to right!!
2.c Rotate your left arm around and complete the "low block" which will bring the attackers head down (if not throw them).
3. Move forward right leg obverse punch
3.a You can light your right knee going forward into the attackers face and strike down on GB20, or just move into them knocking them to the floor and striking GB20 or whatever area or point comes into easy view!!
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can you tellme some out of dan gun to give me an example please.



Dan Gun has the Knifehand guarding block and high punch!

I do the block as passing off a punch and locking into an armbar. This pulls the attacker off ballance and line. So if I was to move forward putting my leand leg behind their lead leg and bring my hand out across their face. They will end up on the ground! (rough discription but I hope you can see it??)
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also do you have ideas on the 1st DAN pattern Po-Eun and some applications of the strange techniques where its like your taking your own pulse.and the the other where you hammer fist your open hand at groin level?......iv been told they could be blocks with one hand reinforcing the blocking arm...maybe they are pressure point stuff...?



It's good to keep thinking outside the box that the movements in patterns are put in by some people.

The blocks in Po Eun could be looked at as wrist locks or thows! It would be a bit too complicated to explain the total idea in text like this unless I knew what experience you had in such skills??

I do like to look at the first few moves of Po Eun from being on the ground mounted by a person holding your hands held over your head. You push out to the side and wrap your leg around one of theirs (like in the stance). This will shift their ballance and leave you with a free hand ( the right one) to swing back into the head and knock them to the side and into a locking position.

Take it from there and let me know how you get on

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#221554 - 02/06/06 08:37 AM Re: Pressure Points 'R Us! [Re: jamesd]
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Hello Ives,

Are you describing a 3 strike combination with the first two techniques being executed from the same arm?

James.




Exactly!
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#221555 - 02/07/06 10:28 AM Re: Pressure Points 'R Us! [Re: Ives]
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Does any one know anything about MUE 6 or a site that has a body chart with it and maybe some information?

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