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#220703 - 02/20/06 04:17 AM Re: "Fight Like a Girl" Rape Escape [Re: Rayachick]
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We do groundwork in our classes. If you want it in yours, ask your instructor.
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#220704 - 02/20/06 12:40 PM Re: "Fight Like a Girl" Rape Escape [Re: Rayachick]
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I have no idea what your curriculum covers, but even if it's "LA Krav" there should be coverage of how to escape the mount, kick an opponent who's standing over you (fighting from the ground position) and how to get back up on your feet quickly. We do drills where we move around the floor in a sitting position with only one hand to block while a partner tries to pass the guard and land a punch to the head. This is a basic building block where many of KM's ground defenses evolve from. Also, the choke, bearhug and head/wrist/leg lock escapes are paramount to self defense, I would think especially for women. The thing you won't get from the ground fighting aspects of Krav are armbars, kimuras, triple threat positions and all the other stuff that makes BJJ BJJ. But realisically there's no need for any of that. None of those techniques are conducive to escaping from an attacker or knocking his @$$ out. Stick with it, you'll get there and remember that there are some great, knowledgable people on this forum who are always willing to help

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#220705 - 02/20/06 10:18 PM Re: "Fight Like a Girl" Rape Escape [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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Yeah i'm still a newbie to Krav so i guess i was just looking to learn it all now because i was attacked twice in my life and i felt horrible. I like that fact that i defended myself in a club a few weeks ago. Some jerk ttried to "press up" on me. it freaked me out so i spun and nailed him with an elbow to the head. he was mad and cussed at me a lot but i walked away. It felt so good to do that to him. Especially since i look little and people think it's ok to overpower me. Funny thing is, i'm changing jobs so i can be closer to the Krav center that i learn at. I have to drive almost an hour to get there now, so i'm going to work about 40 minutes from my house so i can go after work. I think i found a new love besides skydiving and racing.
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#220706 - 02/21/06 06:47 AM Re: "Fight Like a Girl" Rape Escape [Re: Rayachick]
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Glad you are enjoying your training and got to use it. But do you think an elbow smach was warrented? Maybe a warning would have suffice? Just curious about the whole situation. Cuz when I used to club, it was common to push up on people cuz it was so crowded.
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#220707 - 02/22/06 09:16 AM Re: "Fight Like a Girl" Rape Escape [Re: JasonM]
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If she means what I think she means with "pressing up", then I would have probably done the same thing...
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#220708 - 02/22/06 02:59 PM Re: "Fight Like a Girl" Rape Escape [Re: tuxette]
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There's crowded clubs and people do bump around, but I've seen enough chester a-holes use that as an opportunity to do the 'press up" that you're talking about.
Whether it's agreed with or not, rayachick did exactly what the KM philosophy would have her do by diffusing a compromising situation quickly with a correct amount of force and no holding back. After all, she didn't break anything or put the guy in the hospitsl.
Good show.

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#220709 - 02/23/06 06:15 AM Re: "Fight Like a Girl" Rape Escape [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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I don't know about the laws where the rest of you are, but "pressing up" is a form of assault here.
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#220710 - 02/23/06 06:44 AM Re: "Fight Like a Girl" Rape Escape [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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I guess this is the worrier in me taking over. Granted the guy walked away, but i fear that if my training is used, and the person took a blow and dies. What if that elbow, killed the person? So, because they "pressed-up" on someone they are now dead and you are looking at murder charges. Again, I just worry about these things and also not sure what Press up means, but unless he really grinded on her, pressing up happens quit frequently in the clubs. Which is why i stay out of them, because antyhing go down and rather quickly.

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#220711 - 02/24/06 03:26 AM Re: "Fight Like a Girl" Rape Escape [Re: JasonM]
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My definition of "pressing up" is just that - a *deliberate* grind (or "grind" - there are other things that are done, not sure about the terminology du jour). While most people don't do anything about it, it can be considered an assault in some jurisdictions. If I react with an elbow jab to get him out of my crotch, and the [censored] dies, it would more likely than not be written off as a freak incident/accident than a murder.
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#220712 - 02/24/06 05:57 AM Re: "Fight Like a Girl" Rape Escape [Re: tuxette]
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I understand that and I am playing devil's advocate here. But, he dies, how can you prove he grinded you, pressed up, or whatever? I guess the outcome could go either way. And I am sure each situation is different. I guess it all comes down to the judgement of the person being pressed up against.
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