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#220492 - 01/08/06 09:44 PM Re: Martial Art vs. Martial Sport [Re: gojuwarrior1]
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I have studied TKD as both and there is a distinct difference to me, at least from the schools I trained with.

In the Martial Art school (Moo Duk Kwan), I sparred in a street practical method for confrontation and learned hapkido techniques to augment my self defence. We studied some poomse but spent the majority of the time training for practical self defence. We used punching and kicking techniques to the face and all target areas. We used leg strikes to set up other techniques and elbows and knees were used much more frequently than in my other school.

Martial Sport (Kukkiwon), trains for olympic style sparring relying significantly on the roundhouse kick. The majority of the strikes are to the body with no punches to the face and only kicking to the face at the black belt level only. We train for sport copetition with only a small part of the time dedicated to practical self defence.

The sport aspect has helped me and hurt me a bit. The sport aspect is much more demanding physically because the training pushes me to the limits of my stamina. I am in better shape now that I have ever been from a stamina perspective. In having to select which targets I can and cannot strike with certain techniques (punches and no low kicks), I have had to alter my basic sparring/fighting style. In my mind, this has hurt my sparring.

Depending on what you are looking for, either has its benefit. I prefer training for practical self defence but having done so in the past, I can apply what I am studying now to those circumstances. I fight/spar outside of class which helps me to retrain my mind and body to fight without the sporting limitations I put on myself when I am doing olympic style sparring.

There is a definite difference so check things out well before you sign up for a school or for a specific type of training. Make sure it fits your specific needs/desires/goals.

Good luck and have fun,

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#220493 - 01/09/06 01:06 AM Re: Martial Art vs. Martial Sport [Re: RazorFoot]
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Scottie thought my training is not as extensive as yours I find that you have many commonalities with myself in the respect that I've trained both. Your statements:

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I sparred in a street practical method for confrontation and learned hapkido techniques to augment my self defence. We studied some poomse but spent the majority of the time training for practical self defence. We used punching and kicking techniques to the face and all target areas. We used leg strikes to set up other techniques and elbows and knees were used much more frequently than in my other school.




and

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Martial Sport (Kukkiwon), trains for olympic style sparring relying significantly on the roundhouse kick. The majority of the strikes are to the body with no punches to the face and only kicking to the face at the black belt level only.




Are much like myself thought kicking the the head was at senior belt (blue and above) or when sparring with somebody you could decide if you wanted to or not should the Instructor say so. As well it wasn't just roundhouses as the primary kick but I would have to say it was for many.

I also agree with

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The sport aspect is much more demanding physically because the training pushes me to the limits of my stamina.




Sparring one match after another and another and possible 10 times for 1 to 2 minutes each is demanding.

I also agree both have their merrit.

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#220494 - 01/09/06 05:45 PM Re: Martial Art vs. Martial Sport [Re: RazorFoot]
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I had an article published on this topic - The Martial Question - . Check it out at my website. http://www.geocities.com/ustfregion5/What.htm

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#220495 - 01/10/06 11:52 AM Re: Martial Art vs. Martial Sport [Re: Dereck]
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A martial art is an art studied as a way of life.
A martial sport is an art where one seeks competative opportunities in a regulated inviroment, be it for cash, trophies, glory. It is where the main goal is competition in a sporting venue and not a life choice.
This being said, some can choose a martial sport and keep it as a martial art. It is completely possible to study and train in something as a life style choice, yet still be competative in the sporting cirucit. Aa martial sport also can cross over to a martial art. It is all in how the practitioner carries it.
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#220496 - 01/10/06 12:31 PM Re: Martial Art vs. Martial Sport [Re: Hapkid0ist]
Neko456 Offline
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I agree with Sport and Art statemnet. I have some friends now too old to compete they range from Boxers, Wrestlers, MT boxers, Karatekas, TKDs and others once they get too old to compete its over they hang up training and just talk about what could have been & never train again.

Judo seems different its seems to hold the older practitioners through out some times and its usually heavy on competition. Some like Aikido, Jujitsu and Hapkido seem to draw more older students that want to continue training in a Do or self defense art. Not the same we know but the draw is older crowd most of the times. Younger people are attracted to this way also, not ruffle any feathers, I was.

Karate/TKD/Gung/Kungfu/Sialt... the above mentioned and others have a large number of S/D students. Bc its stresses continued growth throughout life.

It only makes sense you can only compete so long, its hard to see a once excellent fighters still fighting a young mans game. Some can compete but its rougher on them, then it was when they were younger.

My last fight people asking when and where was I fighting again. But I knew it was over. Too many near misses on me, too many of me stumbling and just could get there in time. I won that HW division. You really know when it time, some just you live in denial. It not about winning, its about giving your best performance, you know when you can't give 100% anymore, in that arena.

But I am still a Perpetual student of the MAs.


Edited by Neko456 (01/10/06 12:36 PM)
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#220497 - 01/10/06 08:48 PM Re: Martial Art vs. Martial Sport [Re: trevek]
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Trevek,

Good job I htink your on the right path. At least for me my opinion is currently very similar to yours. Thats why I started this thread so I can add to my conclusion. Right now I can't see a clear distinction between the two. But I hope to come to an understanding real soon.
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#220498 - 01/11/06 02:39 AM Re: Martial Art vs. Martial Sport [Re: Hapkid0ist]
trevek Offline
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I'd question that training in a sport is not also a way of life. I can't see how the sacrifice and discipline needed to successfully train in any sport cannot be considered a way of life.

Let's not forget, many sports people are never that successful at their sports that they win, but they continue training. How many people have trained for years in MA and then find themselves ex-MAists after they get a demanding job, or get married, or move somewhere else. I nearly found myself walking that path after over 10 years of training.

Let's not forget, many sports competitiors become trainers when their competitive career is over. I can think of a number of successful people who first became well known as sports competitors and have since gone on to have successful business or political careers. Can't we say that the discipline and training of their sports training has been useful to them in their careers outside of sports? Surely then we must consider sports can also be a way of life.
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#220499 - 01/11/06 06:38 AM Re: Martial Art vs. Martial Sport [Re: gojuwarrior1]
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Amen..
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#220500 - 01/11/06 06:41 AM Re: Martial Art vs. Martial Sport [Re: gojuwarrior1]
TeK9 Offline
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Goju I love that story. If you find or have anymore like it please let me know. I love reading them and expressing them to my students. Story time kids. woot woot!
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#220501 - 01/11/06 06:46 AM Re: Martial Art vs. Martial Sport [Re: trevek]
TeK9 Offline
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Nice job treek, stick and move baby, stick and move.
I agree sports can defiently be a way of life. Remember guys what makes martial arts different from "just a fighting sytem" is that they teach philosophy, morals, self development through self discipline. TKD whether taught as sport or traditional...is still considered a martial art. BooYaKa!

Keep the posts coming fellas, this duscussion is getting interesting.
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