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#219713 - 01/10/06 01:40 PM Re: Welcome Master Weiss [Re: EarlWeiss]
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Welcome sir. I look forward to hearing your insights.

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#219714 - 01/10/06 04:25 PM Re: Welcome Master Weiss [Re: onb]
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As I am not familiar with the US-Taekwondo-scene and also not familiar with ITF, I would be curious to know what Mr. Weiss is thinking of the different approach of Taekwondo in USA, Europe and Asia.
Is there a basic difference in teaching and is there a difference in intensity or quality.
I am looking forward to an answer.
- I only know that amongst WTF schools in USa there are incredibles difference. On the one hand you have extraordinnaryly succesfull fihters (Lopez family) and on the other hand there are black belts who are only on European green-belt level.- Not to provoke, but out of expreriencde

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#219715 - 01/10/06 06:33 PM Re: Welcome Master Weiss [Re: Sushi]
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Quote:

As I am not familiar with the US-Taekwondo-scene and also not familiar with ITF, I would be curious to know what Mr. Weiss is thinking of the different approach of Taekwondo in USA, Europe and Asia.
Is there a basic difference in teaching and is there a difference in intensity or quality.
I am looking forward to an answer.
- I only know that amongst WTF schools in USa there are incredibles difference. On the one hand you have extraordinnaryly succesfull fihters (Lopez family) and on the other hand there are black belts who are only on European green-belt level.- Not to provoke, but out of expreriencde




I am not going to answer for Master Weiss but I can give you my opinion of which he had a big part in exposing to me when I visited his school. As I have mentioned numerous times, I travel frequently for my job and get to train in many different dojangs, Master Weiss' used to be one of them (I have recently made a change in companies and no longer have Chicago as part of my territory, so sad to say it has been a while since I have trained w/ Master Weiss). While there, there was also a visitor from I believe Russia (a blue belt). Master Weiss had one of his blue belts perform their pattern together, it looked as though they had trained together from day one, I have never seen that in a WTF dojang ! Now there is always some "regional" differences, but the ITF has a much more standardized curriculum than does the WTF. No need to worry about Master Weiss visiting other parts of the board and his open mindedness to other arts, he is well versed. He has had multiple articles published in Taekwondo times magazine and is very knowledgable (especially regarding the Chang Hon). I have Tooted his horn enough and hope that I have not embarrassed him, as you can see, I have an enormous amount of respect for him and have enjoyed his posts on other boards as well as his instruction. I hope that all here will find him as informative I have.

VDJ

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#219716 - 01/12/06 11:53 AM Re: Welcome Master Weiss [Re: VDJ]
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Being near O'Hare airport I get many vsitors. I also get people on temporary job transfers and students at nearby universities who came from other locations. As Mr. DJ said on any given night I may have had students from Poland, The Czech Republic, Siberia, Canada, and of course the USA. If they all had up to date ITF instructors I could put them on the floor and have them do a pattern together with little or no prior experience of having them be together. For most people it would be difficult to see that they had practiced at Gyms many thousands of miles apart.

Having judged at 2 ITF Championships, Russia and Italy, and an International Championships in Orlando, I can confidently say 90% of the people had only nominal technical differences. Now, I will say that there are certainly individual differences. I have a gentlemen who tested for 1st Dan at age 70. I am not going to compare him to the International competitor age 30 from Canada. Also, I run a somewhat recreational club. 3 Classes a week for Adults. I would not compare my recreational student to someone training 5 hours a day.

Addittionaly, it seems that some schools are more hard core than others. I often wonder aloud if some countries jsut have fewer distrations than the USA which allows more time to dedicate to a single thing like TKD.

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#219717 - 01/12/06 02:11 PM Re: Welcome Master Weiss [Re: EarlWeiss]
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Registered: 11/23/05
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Loc: Germany
Thank you for answering my question.
I think there is only a lot of talking around certain exceptions some experienced or heard about. I did not meet too many athletes from the U.S. and of course those who go abroad for tournaments are not average. They have all been tough and skilled fighters.
I think the big difference is that in Europe one cannot understánd how some children at the age of 12or 13 can be blackbelts. And of course they aren´t on same level as older and more experienced black-belts. Also there is a lot of talking on McDojang in this board. So some of US-Americans also feel that there is some big ifference in education between different schools....but as I understand that are only exceptions and in general there is no big difference between European and US-American black-belt level.
Thank you so far

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