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#218568 - 12/30/05 11:41 AM 2 sword questioins please
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I'm sorry this is a basic post. I don't fight with sword or bo nor do I know enough about either to post in this section. I'm working on kata bunkai and I need a couple of facts to make it make sense. Please help. (1) Can a real sword cut through a bo the size as that which would have actually been historically in use, (not the light weight skinny thing I do kata with) at a perpendicular angle? ... at an oblique angle? About how many strikes could a bo take before the sword could cut through? Would it ever happen that a sword would get caught in a bo because it didn't strike completely through? ... or would that action just break the bo? Thanks so much for the help.
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#218569 - 12/30/05 12:38 PM Re: 2 sword questioins please [Re: underdog]
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kinda depends on a few things...how hard you swing the sword..the type of sword..type of wood the bo staff is made of...a good staff is hard to break..but not unbreakable... i hope that helps dude
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#218570 - 12/30/05 12:56 PM Re: 2 sword questioins please [Re: underdog]
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It depends on what sword you use, how hard the blow is, of what material the bo is made and at what angle the impact is.
For example this swordhttp://www.armor.com/2000/catalog/item075.html will have quite less chance to break the bo than this one
http://www.armor.com/2000/catalog/item100.html
Since the second one is wielded with 2 hands (resulting in a harder blow), and weighs quite a bit more.

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#218571 - 12/30/05 01:59 PM Re: 2 sword questioins please [Re: underdog]
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Assuming they've got a good sword (like one that would have historically been in use), I think it would be more accurate to say that it depends on the person who's holding the sword. If they really know what they're doing, then yes, they'll cut through the bo and probably your wrist too.
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#218572 - 12/30/05 02:31 PM Re: 2 sword questioins please [Re: traq]
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Well in Japan, the Jo was used to great affect, and it is considerably thinner than a bo, about as thick as your thumb. I'm in no particular hurry to try to cut through my jo. Sounds like a great way to ruin my blade. I'd say it depends mostly on the person wielding the jo and the person wielding the sword. If the sword guy isn't very careful, the Jo man is likely to break his sword.


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#218573 - 12/30/05 06:28 PM Re: 2 sword questioins please [Re: Charles Mahan]
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Thank you, your answers are very helpful so far. I see that the bo was no match for the sword, even the heavier bo. I guess the strategy would be to keep the swordsman at a distance. Does angle of strike matter? I remember striking through waterlogged bamboo mats or something rolled up and mounted on a peg. The instructions were to strike with the sword, at an angle. The angle cuts went through. If the bo defender could control the angle, would that help? or it wouldn't matter? Thanks again.
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#218574 - 12/31/05 01:54 AM Re: 2 sword questioins please [Re: underdog]
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So you've decided that bo can be cut? I sincerely doubt it. If bo are constructed anything like jo only thicker, I suspect it would be all but impossible to cut under even the most ideal circumstances. cutting through one in the hands of someone who knew what he was doing would be difficult for nearly anyone.

As I said, bo aren't my strongsuit, but i know a little about it's smaller sibling the Jo. I'd be suprised if anyone on this forum, with the possible exception of Hyaku-sensei, who I'm guessing is in no hurry to try it out, could cut one with the average katana. It is far more likely that the sword will fail, probably in spectacular fashion.

But really, this is a pointless exercise as the goal is not to cut your enemy's bo, but rather to cut your enemy. Then you can saw it in half as your enemy lies dying.
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#218575 - 12/31/05 04:24 AM Re: 2 sword questioins please [Re: underdog]
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Angle does affect, the lower the angle the more wood you have to cut to get through the bo, at 90 it's the shortest way, at 0 you have to split the whole staff.
Of course if the bo is standing vertical you can hit harder at lower angles due to gravity. If the bo is horizontal, you should hit at 90.

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#218576 - 12/31/05 08:24 AM Re: 2 sword questioins please [Re: underdog]
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Why on earth would anyone want to cut through a bo when the purpose would be to avoid it and cut through it's user.

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#218577 - 12/31/05 10:53 AM Re: 2 sword questioins please [Re: hyaku]
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Oh I know the idea is to attack the user I'm wondering about the effecasy of the defense! Like I said, I'm no swordsman, just a general martial artist working on bunkai for kata. I found myself with moves to justify, and absolutely little practical information about the sword! Thank you for the privlege of your responses. It is actually making more interested in the sword, and the bo. I may become a more frequent, albeit silent, reader of this section.
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