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#218368 - 12/29/05 05:50 PM Krav Maga to Haganah?
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I've been looking into a gym to join and one near by has classes of Haganah. Have any of ya'll heard of it? I've done a little research and I'm worried it might be a tae bo version of Krav Maga....Any help learning about this or from anyone who's been to haganah classes would be appreciated.

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#218369 - 12/29/05 05:56 PM Re: Krav Maga to Haganah? [Re: Gadget]
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While I am not 100% sure, I hear they are somewhat alike. ToddR who is on this website, as well as Glockmeister are both much more familiar with it.


Edited by RangerG (12/29/05 06:34 PM)
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#218370 - 12/29/05 06:24 PM Re: Krav Maga to Haganah? [Re: Gadget]
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It is definately not a "tae bo" version of anything. Actually, in some ways it is very similar ro KM but in my opinion, much more advanced. The knife defenses are a little better and the overall system itself is more complete. Also we train in "rotations" rather than levels. in other words in 4 months, you will be exposed to everythign we do from defense against chokes to handgun threats. Therefore its easier to keep from falling behind the other students. Both styles are good though.

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#218371 - 12/29/05 06:43 PM Re: Krav Maga to Haganah? [Re: Glockmeister]
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Ok...That's definitely good to know. When looking into a person that is a Haganah instructor what type of background would you expect to find? I've got a sheet on the instructor at this gym which lists his experience (in styles such as jeet kon do, tae kwon do, judo, jiu-jitsu, muay thai, etc) And it also lists one that says "Israeli Combat Shooting Instructor"... I just want to be sure the instructor is not running a schpiel or something.

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#218372 - 12/29/05 07:46 PM Re: Krav Maga to Haganah? [Re: Gadget]
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With Krav you can check out their certification with national headquarters. I would assume that Haganah has the same thing? I would also say that you may wish to attend one class and see if the program is suited for you. 99% of the time, a Krav school will let you take a free class. Ask if this is an option, and if so take advantage of it.
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#218373 - 12/29/05 10:33 PM Re: Krav Maga to Haganah? [Re: Gadget]
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From what I've learned it is Krav-Maga with Hisardut mixed in. It looks pretty good, They have combat gun courses wich is pretty cool. Check out their head quarters at http://www.fight2survive.com/haganah/about.html
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#218374 - 12/29/05 11:06 PM Re: Krav Maga to Haganah? [Re: Dedicated1]
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I've done a bit of searching online and haven't really seen anything specific about a certification for instructing haganah. I'll definitely be checking out a class. The only other thing I'm curious about is if any of ya'll might have an idea of how much classes cost (either haganah or krav maga) on average (I'm looking at a monthly fee).

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#218375 - 12/30/05 12:27 AM Re: Krav Maga to Haganah? [Re: Dedicated1]
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Quote:

From what I've learned it is Krav-Maga with Hisardut mixed in. It looks pretty good, They have combat gun courses wich is pretty cool. Check out their head quarters at http://www.fight2survive.com/haganah/about.html




It is more than that. it also has elements of KAPAP (face to face combat and L.O.T.A.R. which is basically anti terrorism tactics. Haganah as a whole also involves Israeli tactical knife as well as tactical shooting. Also there are elements of KM in it also.

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#218376 - 12/30/05 08:57 AM Re: Krav Maga to Haganah? [Re: Glockmeister]
globetrotter Offline
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Registered: 01/10/05
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this is definatly an existing israeli style. I think that you would have to really know your stuff to be able to tell them appart. the main reason for the divisions is political and marketing, I believe.

one thing about israeli instructors to remember - in the israeli army, being an "instructor" is not very prestigious. people who were combatants in even the best units only get about 8 weeks total krav training, and more likely 5 or 6, so the fact that a person was in the army, or was a "shooting instructor" is borderline marketing BS, it doesn't mean that he knows krav any better than somebody from LA who has been practising for a while. it just means that he may have actually had a chance to use it in real life, and that he was tough enought to get through the training in the army.

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#218377 - 12/30/05 10:01 AM Re: Krav Maga to Haganah? [Re: globetrotter]
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Quote:

this is definatly an existing israeli style. I think that you would have to really know your stuff to be able to tell them appart. the main reason for the divisions is political and marketing, I believe.

one thing about israeli instructors to remember - in the israeli army, being an "instructor" is not very prestigious. people who were combatants in even the best units only get about 8 weeks total krav training, and more likely 5 or 6, so the fact that a person was in the army, or was a "shooting instructor" is borderline marketing BS, it doesn't mean that he knows krav any better than somebody from LA who has been practising for a while. it just means that he may have actually had a chance to use it in real life, and that he was tough enought to get through the training in the army.




Honest Question..

If I have been taking Krav for over a year, am former military and former LEO, target shoot on a regular basis, run and weight lift... I have had more training in MA and firearms than most Isreali soldiers?
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