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#218147 - 01/05/06 01:34 AM Re: Principals: 'koshi' and 'gamaku' [Re: butterfly]
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Quote:

However, look at a good power shot...no matter the style or sporting context... it follows, like dominoes... or that wave-style break dancing prevalent in the 80's. Starts with the feet or connection to the ground, up throught the hips into the torso, shoulder, and then in the arm and fist. It's the fluid translation of this power that matters, not the style.





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#218148 - 01/05/06 02:12 AM Re: Principals: 'koshi' and 'gamaku' [Re: butterfly]
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hard to know what you are saying...lets try it this way, as a reference point (I'm not advocating these illustrations are correct for maximum power, in fact, I know they are not )
http://esnips.com/web/EdMorrissbagwork

bag2.wmv - simple no step reverse punch...about 3/4 power.
1st punch with leg locked on impact and heel down.
2nd punch with rear leg bent slightly and heel up a bit.

bag1.wmv - one step elbow and one step natural stance (shizentai-dachi)
elbow - I overrotated/exaggurated the hips, but you can see how the hips lead the strike.
step punch - tried to whip or wave or whatever it's called in 2 directions. by the vertical plane (notice again the hip-lead creating a forward arc) then in the horizontal plane with the hips/gamaku.

strikes were with a 3/4 twist fist, if that matters to anyone. I added slo-mo for your convienence...wasn't that jolly nice of me?

this is different power generation than what I'm used to...remember, I'm trying to figure out the dynamics for Shorin Ryu or MB if there is a difference. and I am actually thinking about this in terms of style...since it has to kind of fit the fighting philosophy of what I'm studying....or does it? anyway, thats what I'm finding out.

thanks

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#218149 - 01/05/06 08:25 AM Re: Principals: 'koshi' and 'gamaku' [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Not bad, Ed
Check out this site, if you haven't already. I believe these are very good examples of what matsubayashi ryu should look like. Notice the way every technique is whipped from the hips.

http://www.matsubayashi-ryu.net/indexen.html

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#218150 - 01/05/06 09:45 AM Re: Principals: 'koshi' and 'gamaku' [Re: WuXing]
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yes, I've seen his videos. and have asked opinions of it here before and I had started a thread about it. most of the thread was trashed by the upgrade, but here is whats left of it:
http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/230900/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1

The performer of the kata even chimed in his opinion of everyone's opinion which was very cool and puts things in perspective. damn...wish we still had that thread.

anyway, thanks the reminder.

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#218151 - 01/05/06 11:03 AM Re: Principals: 'koshi' and 'gamaku' [Re: Ed_Morris]
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It's funny that you say that all the techniques are whipped from the hip because my impression upon watching them was that there was less use of koshi than in the dojo where I practice (albeit more than I see in some of the more "Japanese" styles). Still, I was impressed by his speed and by some of the "hidden" applications I think I saw in his practice.

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#218152 - 01/05/06 11:24 AM Re: Principals: 'koshi' and 'gamaku' [Re: aoishi]
Ed_Morris Offline
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just to be clear, I didn't say that...that was wuxing's opinion.

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#218153 - 01/05/06 11:34 AM Re: Principals: 'koshi' and 'gamaku' [Re: Ed_Morris]
aoishi Offline
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Yep, got it. I just posted in the wrong place.

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#218154 - 01/05/06 04:41 PM Re: Principals: 'koshi' and 'gamaku' [Re: aoishi]
Ed_Morris Offline
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you posted in the right place...but in response to the wrong person. anyway...about your impression of Mr. Sindt's videos, maybe when you get more than 2 years of training, you'll see it differently?

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#218155 - 01/05/06 05:08 PM Re: Principals: 'koshi' and 'gamaku' [Re: Ed_Morris]
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You are undoubtedly correct that in 2 more years of training I will see everything differently, I'm sure.

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#218156 - 01/05/06 05:14 PM Re: Principals: 'koshi' and 'gamaku' [Re: aoishi]
Ed_Morris Offline
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wasn't trying to be dismissive, but just thought the demonstrator of those vids deserved the benefit of the doubt from noobs like us.

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