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#217166 - 01/27/06 08:53 AM Re: Please, Please get a life Please [Re: MAGon]
andy4 Offline
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Registered: 01/25/06
Posts: 53
Hi. My background is in other martial arts. I have just started to study J.K.D.

I think all martial arts have common techniques that cross over. Thai boxers use a thigh kick. So do most martial arts or rather its in their curriculum.
With regards to the endless arguments about where techniques came from.
They came from some enlightened human beingís some where in the human history.


It would seem that Bruce Lee did what others had done before and after. He minimised the amount of available techniques and then perfected them enough to use them..
However this doesnít mean to say that the other discarded techniques from other fighting arts would not work. Perhaps the way of thinking might be perfect the techniques that your training Then add others.

Bruce Lee films created a mass interest in all of the martial arts at that time. What he achieved with that was fantastic. Very few people had heard of kung fu. The fact he was a successful film star and combined with his excellence in martial arts would give him a higher status.

As regards his fighting ability it I think it would be like any other human. If you have it at the time you might win. If you havenít trained or kept up the training you might not.

If any body would like to discuss with myself any techniques within JKD please do but just technique discussion. Im not interested in who hasnt heard of Bruce Lee, Bruce Lee wasnt a fighter or some ones arse.Keep it to
technique's please.

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#217167 - 02/07/06 12:01 AM Re: Please, Please get a life Please [Re: Chen Zen]
wonphi Offline
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Registered: 02/06/06
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gosh, just leave the people that idolize Bruce. Maybe we don not know him, but it is because of Bruce's influence have i seen many people become more confident, encouraged and actaully take interest in martial arts and become a better person spiritually, and physically. we may not have known Bruce or may not have seen his potential, but influencing the lives of so many people for the better even though he has been away from us from so long is a very positive thing, and for that, he deserves a spot in my books.
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#217168 - 02/18/06 08:09 AM Re: Please, Please get a life Please [Re: wonphi]
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well said
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#217169 - 02/18/06 02:22 PM Re: Please, Please get a life Please [Re: ShangTsung]
Chen Zen Offline
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Look, I have no problem with people who are fans of Bruce. Im a fan. I own most of his books and movies. I even have a pair of nunchukas with his picture on them. However, I dont go around imitating his every movement, or praising his "Super unbeatable Godlike abilities" either. I dont agree with every statement he ever made or wrote down. I believe honestly that he was in fact a ego maniac. He was also very hot tempered. And although he had good form and speed doesnt necessarily mean he was a world class fighter either. And it certainly doesnt support him making statements such as "I could beat any man in the world". When it all boils down to it he was just another man like me or you. He was just lucky enough to have his voice heard.
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#217170 - 02/22/06 08:25 PM Re: Please, Please get a life Please [Re: andy4]
wonphi Offline
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you just don't get it, he meant that he can beat any man in the world because he would rather think that and become better rather than think of himself as a short and weak person.

a lot of people have anger problems and he would rather have an ego than be a shy person or wuss. i would rather have an ego than act like a weakling. he said he would rather over train than under train his martial arts, and i do believe he was a great fighter because he actually trained hard every day. world class or not, it is not known, but the thing that matters is that i would rather have people copying Bruce Lee and actually care about their health and physique and martial arts rather than not copy him and learn to be a bully or a weakling or a couch potato.
like i said, people don't know whether he is a world class fighter or not, but what makes him great is the things he has done for Chinese American cinema and what he has done to influence people even long after his death. he may be just another man, but he as a human being which he refered to as himself, has touched and influenced more people than most other men have during his short life and far beyong after his death.

this is what i think makes him really great besides being a fighter with a different theory, and speed.
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#217171 - 03/01/06 11:46 AM Re: Please, Please get a life Please [Re: Chen Zen]
Trejo539 Offline
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who would u consider a world class fighter then?

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#217172 - 03/01/06 09:30 PM Re: Please, Please get a life Please [Re: andy4]
wonphi Offline
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mei i would consider a world class fighter a world champion on martial arts of some sort, with titles and what not.

like i said though Bruce was more of a street fighter and he believed fighting is fighting no rules no nothing, biting is allowed, groin attacks are allowed and etc, so that is why i said we did not know Bruce's potential because those kinds of attacks are restricted in fighting tournaments.

i do consider Bruce a great martial artist because of his demonstration, speed, skill fitness and power, and i know that with those combined you will be a force to be reckoned with.

but what makes him great to me besides his martial arts power and skill and etc is his influence to martial artists and mankind in the new century who are fortunate enough to watch his films, his interviews and his dedication and use it as an example to motivate themselves to me better people.
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#217173 - 03/06/06 01:50 PM Re: Please, Please get a life Please [Re: Trejo539]
Chen Zen Offline
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Who would i consider world class? I'll give you my list but first let me tell you why these people are on my list and Mr. Lee is not. Bruce never had a competetive fighting record. He didnt do tournaments, or sport fighting of any sort other than in his own dojo. With the exception of the Wong Jack Man fight he never had a fight that presented a challenge and its quite debatable rather or not he won the fight against Wong. Being a world class fighter in my eyes means defeating foes, and having a good record at doing so but the opponents must have considerable skills.

So here is my list. No particular order. Randy Cotoure, Chuck Liddell, Matt Hughes, Rich Franklin. Jhoon Rhee. Benny the Jet. There are others but those are just a few.
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#217174 - 03/06/06 04:58 PM Re: Please, Please get a life Please [Re: andy4]
wonphi Offline
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yes chen that is how i feel, Bruce had unkown potential because he never had document fights, he did not believe in restriction like the ones in tournaments so he never entered, though in his demo he did whip some guy EASILY.

Bruce is more of an influence to martial artists and a pioneer to many people. i consider him a great martial artist but not yet world class becuase it is unkown, but even in death he is more famous and more known and recognised than many living world class fighters today.
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#217175 - 03/07/06 06:04 PM Re: Please, Please get a life Please [Re: Chen Zen]
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Chen: Bet you didn't know what you were getting into when you started this thread. In that you were trying to quiet down the BL BS, it sure has backfired!
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