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#216975 - 12/29/05 04:47 AM Re: Why geniuses are never REALLY happy! [Re: BrianS]
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No, the real problem is that the more you know, the more serious mundane matters become.

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#216976 - 12/29/05 04:55 AM Re: Why geniuses are never REALLY happy! [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
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What does that mean,or do I have to be a genius to figure it out?
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#216977 - 12/29/05 05:56 AM Re: Why geniuses are never REALLY happy! [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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Dauragon, yes I was referring to your mention of a book (all in good jesting, I hope you realise)

Butterfly, sorry to have burned your brain, but you sought the words of one thou had proclaimed 'genius'!

Perhaps the pain of genius is not that one declares oneself 'genius' but other make you so and thus impose an ego onto that which formally had none.

Retire to your former anonimity of 'undeclared genius' and rest safely behind the original footnote, happy in your ignorance of your own possible genius.

I can't wait for the holidays to finish so I can get back to work. I obviously have too much time on my hands!!!!
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#216978 - 12/29/05 12:45 PM Re: Why geniuses are never REALLY happy! [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
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No, the real problem is that the more you know, the more serious mundane matters become.




Which comes from over-complicating things because you know more of the variables and possible outcomes involved .. ie. thinking too much

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#216979 - 12/29/05 12:59 PM Re: Why geniuses are never REALLY happy! [Re: Christie]
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I find for me much of my - not so much unhappiness, because I'm very happy with my life - but dissatisfaction with my performence (referring to school mostly) is the falling short of the expectations others have of me because of their false notions of my ability and intelligence.

I don't know where my friends recieved the notions that "I'm a freaking computer" or that "well I shouldn't ask you, two hours for you is 2 days for us" or the basis behind their constant question of "is there anything I'm not good at." Whenever I don't actually get the grade they think I should have I never hear the end of it and suddenly the reason for the poor performence has nothing to do with what I did but every possible outside factor they can think of ... how could it be possible for Christie to be less then perfect?

I'm already an over-achiever - this doesn't help.

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#216980 - 12/29/05 03:55 PM Re: Why geniuses are never REALLY happy! [Re: Christie]
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This goes with my comment about other people giving you an 'ego'. By whose standards are you over-achieving, theirs or yours. No reason to feel guilty but if you don't over-achieve they'll probably tell you something like 'your under-achieving and wasting your talent"!

That's the crap I had (so i became a puppeteer)
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#216981 - 12/29/05 04:16 PM Re: Why geniuses are never REALLY happy! [Re: trevek]
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'your under-achieving and wasting your talent"!




This is the reason why I am in university right now. When I told my grade 12 chemisty teacher that I had no intention to pursue post-secondary education he said that would be a "waste of intelligence." All through highschool I wanted to be a bush pilot - either search and rescue or pilot-for-hire for hunting/fishing/sight-seeing trips etc. - but in a span of two weeks I changed my mind and now here I am in Aerospace Engineering because a teacher said it would otherwise be a 'waste of intelligence.'

We all know we have nothing to prove and the only expectations that should matter are the expecations we have of ourselves however we also all know thats rarely how it happens.

What I find irriating and have gone on many rants about this in my online journal since the beginning of university is that: If I do poorly, there is something seriously wrong or its a mistake, if I do well, I didn't give everything I had, if I do amazing, thats just what was expected and nothing else.

I find myself sometimes intentionally trying to be mediocre, nothing more then the average, just to steer everyone away from this preconceived notion everyone has about me ... its not that I always have the answers, its that everyone else just asks the right questions at the right time.

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#216982 - 12/29/05 04:45 PM Re: Why geniuses are never REALLY happy! [Re: Christie]
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Don't try to be mediocre, it can become a habit and be a bit soul destroying. What i'd suggest is work out where the middle line is so you can cruise it and express yourself as and when you feel the need.

I didn't go to university until i was 25. I decided to go when i found myself stuck in crappy factory jobs, getting older and looking more like the old guys in the factory. I went to uni on my terms.

OK, I was doing arts, but I found a point where I could cruise the not so interesting stuff and then hammer hard the areas i wanted to concentrate on (of course, I was doing a course I wanted to do).

If it's any help, one friend of mine studied neuro-physiology because his father is a doctor. Eventually he said 'to hell with it' (after his degree) and started a recording/production company.

At least after the degree you can say you've done what they wanted and show them the finger.
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#216983 - 12/30/05 01:53 PM Re: Why geniuses are never REALLY happy! [Re: trevek]
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Christie, you're not the one with an IQ of 181 who just failed out of college, and not a university either, but a JC. At least you're doing a mediocre job, and not a miserably failing one. The worst part is that some semesters I was there because I wanted to be, and gave everything I had at the start of the semester. I would just burn out halfway through.

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#216984 - 12/30/05 02:46 PM Re: Why geniuses are never REALLY happy! [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
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ummm...just so everyone knows the ranges we are talking about:
the intelligence quotient is defined as 100 times the Mental Age (MA) divided by the Chronological Age (CA).
IQ = 100 MA/CA.

100 = average.
111 to 120 = bachelors or master's degree
125 to 132 = Dr. degree
137 to 150 = professor/scientist
150 to 160 -> Lincoln, Copernicus, Jefferson
160 to 174 -> Descartes, Einstein, Spinoza
174 to 200 -> Shakespeare, Goethe, Newton

bushi, please tell me you aren't suggesting you are the IQ equivalent of Isaac Newton or Einstein. because then I'd have to laugh.

p.s. Christie
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All through highschool I wanted to be a bush pilot...


what is a 'bush pilot'? one that doesn't show up for work?

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