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#216809 - 01/04/06 10:00 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
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so Delta, you are saying you are practicing 'Real Okinawa-te' right now? and they teach strikes as 'blocks' (as you call them). and 'ikken-hissatsu'?

I always thought 'one strike - one kill' was a Japanese-militaristic concept based on ken-jutsu. and Muay thai doesn't even have this concept, so wtf are you talking about?

'continuous attack' is more in line with Okinawan-Te strategies. there is also the word (forgot the lingo for it) for a desicisive hit which means the strike you pull off that allows to gain the advantage.

but what would I know....I've only been taught 'modern Karate'. still, some gendai Karate sounds more in-line with the older traditions than you purport to be doing there, DeltaF. see how everything is relative and subject to interpretation?

back to 'blocks' and conditioning: sure you can pound your arms on whetstone if you want... btw, who handed down these training methods to you...I'd think all old-school practitioners should know their lineage.

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#216810 - 01/04/06 10:15 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Quote:

so Delta, you are saying you are practicing 'Real Okinawa-te' right now? and they teach strikes as 'blocks' (as you call them). and 'ikken-hissatsu'?

I always thought 'one strike - one kill' was a Japanese-militaristic concept based on ken-jutsu. and Muay thai doesn't even have this concept, so wtf are you talking about?

'continuous attack' is more in line with Okinawan-Te strategies. there is also the word (forgot the lingo for it) for a desicisive hit which means the strike you pull off that allows to gain the advantage.

but what would I know....I've only been taught 'modern Karate'. still, some gendai Karate sounds more in-line with the older traditions than you purport to be doing there, DeltaF. see how everything is relative and subject to interpretation?

back to 'blocks' and conditioning: sure you can pound your arms on whetstone if you want... btw, who handed down these training methods to you...I'd think all old-school practitioners should know their lineage.




I do not say anything of what u say; listen why start argue for the sake of argue or fill a post??
Already reply one that accused me to say that Kyokushin was okinawan karate (he did not read well the posts) sorry i reply only serious questions or arguments such Brian's etc....
You know what I mean and I know what I know

PS
just only to let u know my lineage of karate is direct, without gimmiks with just 2 people before me, to one of the 'masters, of okinawa-te (lineage documented by the prefectural website
http://www.wonder-okinawa.jp/023/eng/003/002/index.html
Do not ask me who; I leave this ego stuff for someoneelse


Edited by Deltaforce69 (01/04/06 10:22 AM)

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#216811 - 01/04/06 11:59 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
Ed_Morris Offline
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typical. confront someone with logic and/or fact, and they take the high road.

this is what you said:
Quote:

Real Okinawa-te (i am using the traditional name of Karate) goes hand to hand with body conditioning because that is the most efficient way to use it; only in that case blocks become attacks, only in that case the say one blow-one kill can be implemented. Only in this case 'karate' can compare with other combat style such Muay thai efficently.This does not mean that i dislike other way of training, i am just state the obvious.




you are implying that 'real Okinawan Te' (by your implication: 'real Karate') includes 'one blow-one kill' via conditioning. complete and negligent falsity of Te.

I was calling you on it...and you say, I'm argueing. no I wasn't argueing for that sake of arguing...I was calling out someone (you) trying to convince people he knows the 'real karate'...yet making rediculously inaccurate statements about what you claim to do.

you guys are the ones claiming to know what the 'real' stuff is and what the rest of us do is substandard... why shouldn't we question that?

SonofaSoke, what say you on the issue of 'blocks are strikes' and 'ikken hissatsu' as it relates to 'real Karate' or 'real Te'?

take care guys. I'm not arguing...its just 'rigerous discourse'.
after all....it's just a forum.
-Ed

p.s. the lineage chart tells me nothing of what you do. are you now implying your karate decends thru the H. Soken line? obviously lineage is important to you since you have an awareness of what 'real' is....otherwise, you'd just call it 'Karate'.

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#216812 - 01/04/06 12:11 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: Ed_Morris]
Deltaforce69 Offline
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cool,

listen can write a long essay but my position can be summarised saying that okinawa-te was effective because was and still is based on a strong component of body conditioning, using conditioning can transform a block in attack and that some blocks used in kata do not work in the street in the way are taught
that's all
Peace


Edited by Deltaforce69 (01/04/06 12:13 PM)

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#216813 - 01/05/06 12:36 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
BrianS Offline
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Quote:

cool,

listen can write a long essay but my position can be summarised saying that okinawa-te was effective because was and still is based on a strong component of body conditioning, using conditioning can transform a block in attack and that some blocks used in kata do not work in the street in the way are taught
that's all
Peace




Obviously I've been doing it all wrong!! My crotty is so pathetically Americanized and watered down that I believe blocks are much more than just meeting force with force and going blow to blow. I'm going to go hit my makiwara with my face now,conditioning you know.
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#216814 - 01/05/06 02:24 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: BrianS]
Ed_Morris Offline
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lol...never thought of that before...hitting the makiwara with your face. and why wouldn't you, since you can't expect to never get hit there.

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#216815 - 01/05/06 04:42 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: BrianS]
Deltaforce69 Offline
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Brian,

body conditioning does not mean only hit makiwara

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#216816 - 01/05/06 04:45 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: Ed_Morris]
Deltaforce69 Offline
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lol...never thought of that before...hitting the makiwara with your face. and why wouldn't you, since you can't expect to never get hit there.



Actually in chinese kung fu there is a method to condition the chin and the face and it is pretty effective so you can stand a hard hit and not knocked down; though not very sure you need to hit the face against the makiwara perhas is an option

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#216817 - 01/05/06 05:31 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
JasonM Offline
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How do they accomplish this? I don't think the face or chin can be conditioned. I believe that this "conditioning" is just getting the person used to taking a blow to the face.
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#216818 - 01/05/06 05:47 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
BrianS Offline
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Brian,

body conditioning does not mean only hit makiwara




No kidding?
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