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#216789 - 12/29/05 08:55 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: BrianS]
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Just to play devil's advocate...

There's that kickboxing clip, where one guy breaks his shin on the other guy's shin. So that's technically a shin breaking a bone...except it was the attacker who's leg broke...

Maybe he should have conditioned his shins a little more?

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#216790 - 12/29/05 09:03 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: WuXing]
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Quote:

Just to play devil's advocate...

There's that kickboxing clip, where one guy breaks his shin on the other guy's shin. So that's technically a shin breaking a bone...except it was the attacker who's leg broke...

Maybe he should have conditioned his shins a little more?




MAYBE

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#216791 - 12/30/05 12:11 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
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Maybe he should have drank more milk?

Still didn't answer my question? I'm guessing your conditioning is extreme,could be wrong.
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#216792 - 12/30/05 12:27 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: BrianS]
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His leg could also have been riddled with small fractures due to unwise conditioning.

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#216793 - 12/30/05 12:34 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: Subedei]
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#216794 - 12/30/05 05:32 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: BrianS]
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Brian,

I was not online, my conditioning is not extreme actually pretty standard for okinawan karate and very similar in concept to muay thai, iron palm etc...The key concepts are gradual to allow adaptation and liniments immediately before and after. So I target hands (every possible part, included fingers),wrists, forearms every portion, shoulders, legs, shins, elbows, foot.

By the way the one blow one kill logic is not philosophy at all if you break with your hand bricks like they did in the old time,neither the say that the block should be also an attack if you have your forearm conditioned believe me people feel pain when they hit you

will this give me deformation?? Until now not, however this is the real karate way and Mas Oyama knew it; only in this way karate becomes a deadly self defence system and can compete with Muay thai, boxing etc....


Edited by Deltaforce69 (12/30/05 05:39 AM)

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#216795 - 12/30/05 06:47 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
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Any karate is 'real karate'. I hate it when people think they are the only ones doing it right.
Oyama was extraordinary.Where are all the 'real' karateka that followed him? He found what worked for him and it won't necessarily work for everyone.
BTW,you still haven't told me what you do for conditioning.
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#216796 - 12/30/05 07:08 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: BrianS]
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Brian,

i try to follow only the karate as taught in okinawa so if you consider this as not the real one is your opinion. I have not said that the other types of karate are not real just i believe are diluted for commercial and ignorance reasons (you cannot for instance promote body conditioning as a crucial part of the training-as should be following the old path- without losing a lot of students)For commercial reason is better to promote the unbelievable formula that a woman should punch when we all know that even for a man punching the face of a person will cause fracture if the fist is not conditioned.

About my conditioning I told you and then this is a secret of the trade I can advice you a book (an old one still pubblished which give some guidelines) written by the legendary Prof. Drager, let me know and will send the title via private message.


Edited by Deltaforce69 (12/30/05 07:11 AM)

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#216797 - 01/01/06 10:30 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
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There are more than mcdojo's that do not condition hard enough to lose students. Isn't that what you are implying?
Please send me the title since you can't tell me.
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#216798 - 01/02/06 05:24 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: BrianS]
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Brian,

off course I send the title;

what i say is simple; original karate goes hand to hand with tough progressive conditioning and is based on kata and realistic bunkai and bogu kumite'. We have two hypotheses there are instructors that have not trained properly to this way because studied the diluted way, this because the master were jelous of their trade (you can find them in japan, the majority in europe and western world and also in okinawa -the karate PE taught after Itosu adapted it)the second hypotheses is that even the few instructors and master than they know karate the old ways adapt and compromise because karate is business, many instructors live with karate hence the focus is given to please the students and do not scare them away.
Result= a Karatedo that is ridiculous and can never stand a fight with a Muay Thai or boxer or any other oriented combat sport. The original karate instead can be very effective
So it is up to the individual research and study..


Edited by Deltaforce69 (01/02/06 05:28 AM)

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