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#216769 - 12/28/05 08:27 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: shoshinkan]
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Shoshinkan

yes off course but not as taught in many dojos, manuals and dvds (okinawan, japanese and non) to stop a straight punch to the face. You speak about a modification, jodan uke lateral to stop a circular puch which is fine(however, i guess not perfomed with a close punch which slows sensibly the block).

this application (against circular-hook)can be found in the shorinji kempo (old art of the buddhist monk Doshin So) uwa uke.Exactly what u describe and done with open hand; could be that perhaps the application u indicates was one of the real use of jodan uke togehter with other as strike??? and if yes why that nonsense japanese (and also okinawa application) against straight punch to the face while there are much more FAST and efficient ways to stop a straight punch (slap parry downward as muay thai do, called as ashi barai uke in Shorin ryu seibukan Shimabukuro Zenpo lineage)???


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#216770 - 12/28/05 08:51 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
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LOL, Delta I agree with much of what you say, certianly in the state of 'modern' karate being taught for self defense.

But it is what it is...............
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#216771 - 12/28/05 12:02 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: traq]
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I agree and this bring to another point Karate is completely useless without proper Kote kitae and body conditioning on all part of the body. Actually in china they also condition the chin and cheeks to resist the strikes......

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#216772 - 12/28/05 12:26 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
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I agree cheeks should be conditioned. It would be a waste of time for anyone to attack my buttocks. They are superbly conditioned.

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#216773 - 12/28/05 01:09 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: Neko456]
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If it works in other systems why does it not work for him.




Maybe they dont work for him cause he's an individual and its his choice to use them or not.

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where does the problem lie. It lies in the preparation and realism. If you train real you will fight real.




Kinda answered your own qeustion there
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#216774 - 12/28/05 01:13 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
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personally i agree that conditioning is an important part of our training, however many people are happy to not condition and thats fine for them.

for the best makiwara in the UK see -

www.makiwarapost.com

We also do a range of bespoke hojo undo kit for those that wish to condition/strength train.
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#216775 - 12/28/05 03:15 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: oldman]
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hahahahahahaha , however you should have seen the old chinese master that i met how resisted pretty strong punches on the chin...


Edited by Deltaforce69 (12/28/05 05:59 PM)

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#216776 - 12/28/05 03:43 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: shoshinkan]
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"Yet,everyone on these boards know the 'real' applications"

Even if that were true, the people on these boards are the ones who chose to inform themselves.

We are a small minority amongst MA's at large. A VERY small minority.


Mark.


P.S. Nice makiwaras. IF I had any cash, I'd grab one!


Edited by StayUnderMyWing (12/28/05 03:44 PM)
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#216777 - 12/28/05 05:27 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
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If it works in other systems why does it not work for him.
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Maybe they dont work for him cause he's an individual and its his choice to use them or not.

If its an individual thing how or why would he make such a conclusive statement. I know practioners that can do techniques that I can not, that doesn't mean it don't work. It means it doesn't work for Me.

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where does the problem lie. It lies in the preparation and realism. If you train real you will fight real.
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Kinda answered your own qeustion there.

I didn't answer the question I threw out some meat for thought. Maybe what he does is real to him, but if you work every angle theres a needed block for every strike. The hammer fist or axe kick r over head attacks countered by the age uke along I'd add tai-sabuki( I wouldn't stay there). The age uke/tsuki, some people turn this move into a rear hand rising punch counter, deflecting a head punch and striking to the head at the same time. Its how you practice, you can do it basic/1-2.. or advance/realistic.


Edited by Neko456 (12/28/05 05:29 PM)
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#216778 - 12/28/05 06:27 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: Neko456]
Dauragon c mikado Offline


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Fair enough, no hostility on my part, ok?
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