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#216749 - 12/24/05 04:25 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: traq]
BruceJW Offline
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yea, blocks should hurt the guy too, which would make them strikes. there's a story my sensei tells about a guy who used to train at our school (decades ago) who noone wanted to sparr with, because when you kicked at him he punched your foot.




umm, in the real world, you won't have time to put the power into a block to hurt the guy. When you train, while you improve your form etc, the power must be there. But in the street, I think your blocks will be more instinctive, and will tend to rely on your follow up.

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#216750 - 12/24/05 09:28 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
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Well, personally, I see the training of the "slower" blocks a type of mental programming. You do them over and over and over again, in 'perfect' form, to that in the time of need, your reflexive action are very close to the form you trained it to be. It ingrains general shape that comes closer and closer to the true form of the block as time passes.

Your body's memory will use what it knows, and will do so faster than anyone can imagine. Mushin. It just happens. It may not be the cleanest block, but as long as it works....why not?
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#216751 - 12/25/05 11:31 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: traq]
shoshinkan Offline
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see your point, but I was thinking more about the hand that doesnt 'block', think of it as a grab and pull.....ouch
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#216752 - 12/25/05 12:52 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: shoshinkan]
Deltaforce69 Offline
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see your point, but I was thinking more about the hand that doesnt 'block', think of it as a grab and pull.....ouch




PRECISELY..... in a fight parry with open hand are the realistic defence, what seem blocks are attacks after that u parried/deviated or trapped the limb


Edited by Deltaforce69 (12/25/05 12:54 PM)

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#216753 - 12/27/05 06:31 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
BrianS Offline
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So,basically you started this thread to see if people agreed with your way of training blocks without stating which way that was from the beginning?

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#216754 - 12/27/05 11:28 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
Neko456 Offline
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Thats one way to block and probably the fastest, but the close hand blocks are feasiable if done properly without the wrap up unless you are wanting to do something else beside just block.

The thing is don't get caught up in blocking, I believe in a scuffle if you block more then 3-4 times in a roll you are fighting too defensively and waiting for one to land. The highest level of defense is no block just intercept his intention and fire.

One of my favorite moves is to stun, (its possible to grab incoming but its safer ths way) then grab pulling and pushing him off balance into strikes and kicks, leading into a throw or sweep. I don't do too many blocks just to stop (unless totally surprised) the attacking limbs. I was taught whenever a limb leaves the guard theres an opening.
But I don't let that stop me from attacking, it can be a strong defense (not in court but definitely in a fight).
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#216755 - 12/27/05 12:45 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
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what I wanted to say (and i think i state the obvious) is that there is a big difference between karate and functional karate. If u see- or being in- a fight in the street you would see that the blocks comes very natural and the defender do not need any training there are simple parry that come natural.




Deltaburke69,It's not a block per se,In other words,you're not just executing a forearm block,You are delivering a hammer smash to the lower to mid part of the arm,Or the bicep,Depending on the distance &/or the posture of the attacker.
What you think might be a just side block,Is in reality a backfist strike to the lower to mid part of the arm, or bicep depending on the distance or the posture of the attacker.


What you need to understand, is that you defense & your attack are one in the same.




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I believe that the okinawans could not be bothered to show us in their katas blocks so slow like that ones ( that believe me never will work with swings fast and strong as in the street-remember that in the street there is not only one swings but fast combinations of them).




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#216756 - 12/27/05 04:44 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: Isshinryukid4life]
Dauragon c mikado Offline


Registered: 12/09/04
Posts: 1246
Loc: Oxford, England
Like Mr Miyagi say "best block, no be there"

Like my sensei once say "tradional blocks really are a load of bo**ocks, but I suppose depending if things happen in the right way at the right time they're pretty good, but it depends on your training, and no matter how much you train, however you feel, when the time comes, thats when you'll do your best stuff, when it all natural and simultainius"

Like sensei quotes "Moninmuso, this means the ability to act calmly and even in the face of danger, it is the highest accord with existence when a mans word and his actions are simultaniously one and the same"

I know so many quotes I risk being one those people who only copy what others say rather than think of there own stuff but I got a few of my own any way so hopfully that kicks that out the way.
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#216757 - 12/27/05 04:55 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
Subedei Offline
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Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 479
Well, we have evidence of "traditional blocks" being used as far back as ancient greece. Why would they have persisted for so long in so many places without any chance to the technique whatsoever if they didn't work?


Edited by Subedei (12/27/05 04:58 PM)

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#216758 - 12/27/05 05:07 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: Dauragon c mikado]
Neko456 Offline
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Registered: 01/18/05
Posts: 3260
Loc: Midwest City, Ok, USA
Like my sensei once say "tradional blocks really are a load of bo**ocks

If it works in other systems why does it not work for him. A block a block in almost any form of fighting. I like to compare this to basic art like boxing when a guy throws a jab, and you pat it with your front or back hand is it not the same motion as a palm parry or slap block. Sometimes when a boxer blocks/parries a strong jab to body, it turns the opponent isn't that near the same motion as the downward block. The key is you must immeadiate mount a offense not freeze for a photo.

If it works in other fighting and not for him, where does the problem lie. It lies in the preparation and realism. If you train real you will fight real.
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