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#216739 - 12/23/05 12:01 PM karate blocks
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every person that has seen or been in a street fight (and here in London near pubs on friday, saturday there are plenty) would agree with me that the uchi/soto/shuto uke are very slow for that type of blow. So how do u make sense of this blocks in the kata and most of all with a fist clenched which slower even more the execution....

It is a bit of a provocation (I teach and practice okinawan karate)


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#216740 - 12/23/05 12:28 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
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I reality just the blocking technique its really done as economically as a boxer or Kali mans bumping the incoming strike off course from your guarded position, its just a flick of a wrist. The entire blocking motion taught in MAs or Karate you are doing a series of things you are covering and counter/striking and deflecting in that one technique.

I won't go any futher because obviously your instructor hasn't informed you of this yet, this just a 1 up. But really fighting is fighting weather its Jujitsu, Kali, Kung-fu, Karate, Thai-boxing, boxing or brawling some maybe more refined, each can be a solid method of self defense. If studied indept. Step back and look at whats going on.

Using that long wind up to block a strike is not feasible. But to strike the body and break the arm now its makes more sense.


Edited by Neko456 (12/23/05 12:35 PM)
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#216741 - 12/23/05 12:35 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
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practice the whole block so you can understand it. in a fight, use the movement you need.
In addition, you should be shifting your body away from the strike, so the block is really intended to take control of the opponent's strike, not to literally "block."
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#216742 - 12/23/05 12:36 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: Neko456]
Deltaforce69 Offline
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actually I have always thought that instead were strikes on joints or targets or kansetsu waza and that the parry are the real blocks. The hand in hikite is the parry/grabby block and the rest are techniques


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#216743 - 12/23/05 12:46 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
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Well I don't know I think they are fast enough. In my old school of Shotokan we would see the block as a strike which would make every thing a strike. That should give the person the action speed instead of reaction speed. Maybe they have by fist to remember the blocks are strikes. Maybe someone else can give u a better anwser.

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#216744 - 12/23/05 01:22 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
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You are right the parry is a block in this sequence but blocking can come in alot of forms. Such as in the cross body guard used in Karate & boxing (and others fighting system) using these two in this comparison. Though used to parry/trap punches kicks and knee in Karate. Boxers will use a shoulder parry and follow with a lead hook or whatever and In Karate I use the same shoulder or forearm, (sometmes shin) to deflect the strike/kick and strike and grab the throat and groin, following into a sweep and throw. Or counter with a series of strikes, the point is to flow don't think 1 block then 2-strike, they appear as 1 and definitely don't think Kata wrapup and block, unless you gonna use the body roll techinque its starts just like a loose or reverse gedan bari wrap up even in Boxing, Silat or Gung-fu its looks the same if you look know what to look for. The thing is you got know what you looking for its not going to be there long. Because it has to flow with effort of fight.

Its Kata techniques but its alive and flowing! This to the poster some you other guys know this stuff.

Fighting is fighting the same tools are there its the rules of a system that limits the possibilites. Karare has very few limits, that I've seen.


Edited by Neko456 (12/23/05 01:29 PM)

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#216745 - 12/23/05 03:24 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
Trefathell Offline
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Quote:

every person that has seen or been in a street fight (and here in London near pubs on friday, saturday there are plenty) would agree with me that the uchi/soto/shuto uke are very slow for that type of blow. So how do u make sense of this blocks in the kata and most of all with a fist clenched which slower even more the execution....

It is a bit of a provocation (I teach and practice okinawan karate)




This is a good question. It depends which system you adhere to. To some the idea of blocking is the same as striking, i.e. you attack the limb while protecting yourself. But to other forms of karate there is an opposite approach. Speaking for my own system (Wado ryu) because it has its roots in jujutsu, any blocking is part of an attacking move, in that the block happens on its way to a strike, almost as an incidental move. Obviously this is all part of a body movement that involves evasion.

I hope that is useful.

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#216746 - 12/23/05 08:21 PM Re: karate blocks [Re: Deltaforce69]
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I also like to think when making a fist that im not always striking,

puts a whole world of pain for the attacker when you think about gedan barai...................
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#216747 - 12/24/05 11:40 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: shoshinkan]
traq Offline
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yea, blocks should hurt the guy too, which would make them strikes. there's a story my sensei tells about a guy who used to train at our school (decades ago) who noone wanted to sparr with, because when you kicked at him he punched your foot.
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#216748 - 12/24/05 11:54 AM Re: karate blocks [Re: traq]
Deltaforce69 Offline
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what I wanted to say (and i think i state the obvious) is that there is a big difference between karate and functional karate. If u see- or being in- a fight in the street you would see that the blocks comes very natural and the defender do not need any training there are simple parry that come natural. I believe that the okinawans could not be bothered to show us in their katas blocks so slow like that ones ( that believe me never will work with swings fast and strong as in the street-remember that in the street there is not only one swings but fast combinations of them). I think they are all finally techniques after blocks. A confirm of this thesis can be found in one of the best realistic karate instructor of today KUBOTA that believes that the traditional age uke etc do not work for round punches simple to fast to stop.

So look the kata and go deep (this is my motto)

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