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#215059 - 12/19/05 05:53 PM Re: Live Ken For Iai Traing Good or Bad [Re: MugiaMike]
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Also with Iaito, one should be treating an Iaito as if it is a Shinken at all times during and in between practice sessions. One should not be that comfortable at the thought that they won't cut themselves just because they're using an Iaito. The attitude you have about an Iaito can and will carry over to a shinken.

A cop once told me, the most dangerous gun is an unloaded one. That if one was so comfortable around an unloaded gun randomly doing things with it that wouldn't be smart with a loaded one, that kind of comfortable attitude bout an unloaded gun will carry over to a loaded one.

Your Iaito is an unloaded gun.
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#215060 - 12/20/05 11:03 PM Re: Live Ken For Iai Traing Good or Bad [Re: Charles Mahan]
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I was making a point about how ridiculously slow new students would have to go for a VERY extended period of time. This is time when they are so nervous, or at least had better be, about cutting themselves that they cannot work on basic stuff like footwork, grip, timing(which is not the same as speed at all), maai, seme, any of that stuff. I'm sure it's possible, I know that it is done, in some dojos, but it doesn't seem like an especially conducive training atmosphere.




Having trained with a live blade exclusively from my first day of class, I can say that it has been a very positive experience. The focus and intensity of the moment has proven to be a very powerful training tool...and perhaps a bit of an addiction. I see nothing wrong new with students going slow for an extended period of time. If you want to go fast, soon, a live blade is definately not the way to go and my dojo is not the place for you. Dull blades are not allowed...did I mention you will be required to use jodan noto from day one? Kissaki goes directly to koiguchi, without looking, on every kata. Sound like fun? Lets get together.

This is not everyone's cup of tea, but we like it.

Amos
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#215061 - 12/20/05 11:28 PM Re: Live Ken For Iai Traing Good or Bad [Re: Amos Smith]
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Amos, just out of curiosity, how tall are you and what length is your sword. I've found that ratio makes a big difference in the relative safety of nukitsuke and noto.
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#215062 - 12/21/05 10:17 AM Re: Live Ken For Iai Traing Good or Bad [Re: Charles Mahan]
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Isn't Tenshin Ryu Gendai though? Isn't this Fred Lovretts style?
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#215063 - 12/21/05 10:26 AM Re: Live Ken For Iai Traing Good or Bad [Re: Amos Smith]
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This is not everyone's cup of tea, but we like it.



Thank you Amos, that is a lot better way of putting it than your earlier statement (although an apology would have been better). I really don't care for people insulting those that I hold in very high esteem (not to mention me!) because their practice may be different than yours. Be very careful what you say in a public forum as it ends up representing you, your dojo, and your instructors.
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#215064 - 12/21/05 10:39 AM Re: Live Ken For Iai Traing Good or Bad [Re: pgsmith]
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Speaking of which, i just reread my last post and it could be read badly. Before anyone jumps on me, I didn't mean anything bad by it, just got in a hurry and typed without re-reading. I meant only to verify that it was Lovrett's style and that it was Gendai. There's nothing inherently wrong with it if it is. That's not what i meant at all.
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#215065 - 12/21/05 10:43 AM Re: Live Ken For Iai Traing Good or Bad [Re: Amos Smith]
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..did I mention you will be required to use jodan noto from day one?



Forgive my ignorance. Could you please describe a "jodan noto"?

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#215066 - 12/21/05 06:41 PM Re: Live Ken For Iai Traing Good or Bad [Re: Charles Mahan]
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Amos, just out of curiosity, how tall are you and what length is your sword. I've found that ratio makes a big difference in the relative safety of nukitsuke and noto.




Good question. I'm 5'8" and use a 2-5-5 with 11" tsuka.

Amos
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#215067 - 12/21/05 06:49 PM Re: Live Ken For Iai Traing Good or Bad [Re: pgsmith]
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Quote:

This is not everyone's cup of tea, but we like it.



Thank you Amos, that is a lot better way of putting it than your earlier statement (although an apology would have been better). I really don't care for people insulting those that I hold in very high esteem (not to mention me!) because their practice may be different than yours.




Paul and others: I apologize. Please excuse my brash and insensitive statement.

Amos
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#215068 - 12/21/05 07:00 PM Re: Live Ken For Iai Traing Good or Bad [Re: Charles Mahan]
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Isn't Tenshin Ryu Gendai though? Isn't this Fred Lovretts style?




Good question. Yes, we study under Fredrick Lovret. Truth is, the only one who knows if we are gendai or koryu is Lovret Sensei, and he won't say. Amid MUCH speculation, the only way to find out about our art remains to be getting on the mat.

Our oral tradition is that we are a derivative of Ono-ha Itto-ryu. To my knowledge, this has never been verified.

Amos
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