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#212502 - 12/14/05 03:52 PM Re: An Interesting Story [Re: comminus]
Ed_Morris Offline
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learning cold, hard, facts is not education...thats memorization.

silly stories, lessons, humor, the Arts and humanities combined with the facts is education. Dr. smarty-pants

#212503 - 12/14/05 04:32 PM Re: An Interesting Story [Re: comminus]
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I'ts interesting but I thought Einstein explained his theories with silly stories, wasn't there a man in one of his stories that rode a train that aproached the speed of light, that couldn't be factual.
waht about the fictional story "The garden of Forking Paths" nd it's effect on Quantum mechanics.
What about the Fictional story "Uncle Toms Cabin" and it's effects on the abolishinist moement in North America.
Silly stories don't contain facts but explain in an experiential context the truth of things.

#212504 - 12/14/05 05:09 PM Re: An Interesting Story [Re: WADO]
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Why do physics professors have to be so mystical in their teaching, I found this story from a lecture delivered by Albert Einstein. A man was shoveling coal into a train and the train began to accelerate, as more and more energy was added the train accelerated more and more. When the train approached the velocity of light its acceleration slowed and slowed even more, but the man kept shoveling more coal into the engine the energy added into the equation continued to increase so what can happen, the mass of the train began to increase, what do you think about that, it is the only way to keep the equation balanced. The energy needs to go somewhere and it can't go into velocity so it must go into mass.
Those physics teachers so full of silly stories and allegories, why don't they just come out and say stuff. Why didn't he just give his students the equation and tell them to memorize it an they would understand physics?

#212505 - 12/14/05 05:45 PM Re: An Interesting Story [Re: WADO]
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Those mad mad mystical physicists always using their mystical stories The famous Physicist Schrodinger painted the following scenario:
Suppose there is a box. Within this box is food and water, and there are a few holes drilled in its top to let air in. You place a cat in the box and then seal it up firmly. The holes you have drilled are big enough for air to go in, but too small for you to peek in and spy on the fate of the cat. The only way you can figure out if it is dead or alive is by opening the box. Until you open the box, all you know is that the cat can be dead or alive. Both outcomes are equally probable.
Quantum Mechanics requires you to say that the cat is 'half dead, half alive' - that both possibilities exist at the same time. It is only when you perform the measurement, i.e open the box, that you know for sure which probability is realized. In that sense, if you open the box to find the cat dead, it is by opening the box that you (or your curiosity) have killed the cat. Quantum Mechanics say things happen when you find out. Or to carry it further, you alter what you see, simply by the act of watching it.
What do cats have to do with probability why don't they just teach facts not fancifull stories about cats and boxes?

#212506 - 12/14/05 06:26 PM Re: An Interesting Story [Re: WADO]
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Or The Cat in the hat. A series by Dr.Theodore Giessel

#212507 - 12/15/05 12:14 PM Re: An Interesting Story [Re: Ed_Morris]
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i also want to add that a parable or story may have more than one meaning, like techniques in a kata.
Go seek the advise of a qualified instructor.

#212508 - 12/20/05 03:47 PM Re: An Interesting Story [Re: WADO]
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Why didn't he just give his students the equation and tell them to memorize it an they would understand physics?

Because people remember stories better than equations, and are more likely to forget an equation after they have to stop using it, but a story like that could help the student figure out how to remember the equation.

Think about any movie you've ever seen, you probably don't remember the names of the characters, unless you've seen it a hundred times, but you will more likely remember what happend during that movie and be able to give a rough outline of what happened.


#212509 - 12/20/05 03:58 PM Re: An Interesting Story [Re: tkd_high_green]
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You need to check which side I am on that was a rhetorical question designed to show that in every single discipline, despite what sience man above claims, poeple use stories to illustrate and give a frame of reference for difficult concepts.

#212510 - 12/28/05 10:27 PM Re: An Interesting Story [Re: WADO]
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He should have poured hot water into the tub and took a hot bath!

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