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#211361 - 12/04/05 10:32 PM "un-intentional conditioning"
chickenchaser Offline
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or just plain ol' injuring yourself during class! the other day while between the kids class and adult class i was practicing one of my nunchaku kata. i was doing this kata quite slow so i could tweak it and make it "better". so right in the middle i was thinking "okay step, step, crouch,block" and wouldn't you know i cracked myself right in the eye with the end of the nunchaku. i was fine until i realized i was bleeding from my eyelid! so i went and got it cleaned up and put some antiboitic ointment over the cut so i could finish class. that has to be the swiftest thing i have ever done so has anyone else "un-intentionally conditioned" a part of their body during class or practice with a weapon or anything else?? would love to hear it!

p.s. i did a search and came up with nothing that seemed like this so sorry if there was and i am just repeating a thread.
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#211362 - 12/04/05 11:05 PM Re: "un-intentional conditioning" [Re: chickenchaser]
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Don't know if this counts, but just recently I was stretching out before class, and I was doing the butterfly stretch (the one where you sit on the floor and bring your feet in as close as possible to yourself, and your knees stick out). I'm really flexible with that particular stretch, and I can actually touch the floor with my forehead. Unfortunately, I wasn't really watching how low I was going (I was talking at the time, looking at someone above me), and next thing I know, I hit my head on the floor! I'm so smart sometimes it's frightening .

Of course there are the countless other times when I've been goofing off, throwing roundhouses or whatever, and then actually hit an object that's really, really hard. That's funny, despite the pain .
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#211363 - 12/04/05 11:06 PM Re: "un-intentional conditioning" [Re: chickenchaser]
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I have a bad habit of not moving when I see a kick coming in sparring .
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#211364 - 12/05/05 12:19 AM Re: "un-intentional conditioning" [Re: chickenchaser]
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We have one guy at our dojo who is theoretically the same rank as me (nidan-ho) but he stopped training for many years. In fact he was the same rank when I started training but stopped for many many years during which time he has trained in boxing so his punches are phenomenally quick and strong. He regularly conditions my head during sparring with his fist!!!

I also conditioned myself with my bo a lot when I statred training with that.

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#211365 - 12/05/05 12:40 AM Re: "un-intentional conditioning" [Re: Foolsgold]
UofM Shorin Ryu Offline
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Quote:

I have a bad habit of not moving when I see a kick coming in sparring .




Haha! I've got the same "deer caught in headlights" problem too....don't know how many times me and my TKD buddy were just goofin off then WHAM! A swift kick to the nose always brightenes your day.....

Don't know if this counts, but I was goofin off breakin and tryin a move way too advanced for me, overstretched my arm and it felt like I tore it out. Kinda went limp on me the rest of the day . But since then I've gotten stronger on that arm (right side) and can do some nifty stuff with it.

I've also taught people, had one guy go through some basic things, he was doin alright. Right up to I showed him what the moves looked like at full strength and speed, and advanced versions of the move. Well he thought he was buff enough (he was ) to go right to advanced one arm "turtle" freeze, slipped, landed on his nose, broke it, blood all over the floor. Guess I forgot to mention it was more about balance than strength....Never saw him again....

But I guess that's why they call it "breakin"
We really do learn through pain, and trial and error.....


Edited by UofM Shorin Ryu (12/05/05 12:42 AM)
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#211366 - 12/05/05 12:21 PM Re: "un-intentional conditioning" [Re: UofM Shorin Ryu]
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Holding a big pad for a higher rank's kick practice. had one hand on top of the pad in between it and my face.

I didn't realize the guy kicking had stopped practicing the footwork and was ready to follow through. His kick knocked the bag up hard and knocked my fist into my face. A busted lip and slightly tougher knuckles

I have been doing nunchaku for about 10 years. Last year I bought a new pair of nunchaku that had a lot different feel and weight. Also they were my first pair with cord instead of chain, and the cord was much shorter than the chain I was used to. Made the mistake of tryin 'em out at full speed. I was going from a figure eight to a pass behind the head when I hit myself behind the ear and managed to knock myself out. It was kind of like "hey these are cool, I like the grip... what am I doing on the floor?" I was only out for a second or two, but it was still embarrassing


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#211367 - 12/05/05 12:57 PM Re: "un-intentional conditioning" [Re: Xaith]
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us MAist are deadly with nunchaku.....especially to our self! i don't know what it is about me but when it comes to injuring oneself whether it be in a MA class or anywhere i think it is hilarious.....does that make me evil???? but i do think it's funny when i injure myself too not just other people.
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#211368 - 12/05/05 07:53 PM Re: "un-intentional conditioning" [Re: chickenchaser]
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Heard a couple of funny nunchauka stories.
1. Guys was about to do a nunchauka kata - Instructor called masuba dachi - normally in weapons katas you don't do the hand movements - just stand there till called to start the kata. Tried to do masuba dachi hand movements while holding nunchauka and knocked himself out!

2. Guy in bar and was amping up to get into a fight (obviously an idiot MAist) Started twirling his nunchauka to look impressive and scare off the other blokes. Knocked himself in the head and hit the ground. Only positive - the fight ended cause everyone just started laughing!

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#211369 - 12/06/05 03:50 PM Re: "un-intentional conditioning" [Re: srv]
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I work a very large weapon called a Ma Do or Guan Do. It's about the same height as I am, and heavy. Half of it is steel broadsword blade and the rest in the handle, with a steel ring at the end. One section of the form that I do with it requires me to swing it to full arm extension BEHIND me. I can't tell you how many times I've whacked the back of my head with that darn ring!! One of my Sensei's has teased me about trying to make a bald spot there...
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#211370 - 12/06/05 04:19 PM Re: "un-intentional conditioning" [Re: sunspots]
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My first time at a new club I was doing some bag work. Kicking my little heart out. Everything was going fine until I switched bags and kicked as hard as I could. Only to find that the new bag i chose was one of those rock hard all sand bags...ouch!!!
After that I decided to do some punching combos (back on the soft bag) to give my aching shins a breack. Jab, Jab, Cross, Spinning back fist - But I caught the bag with a spinning back elbow and hyper-extended it. What a hurtin unit I am...got armbared by a heavy bag.
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#211371 - 12/06/05 04:23 PM Re: "un-intentional conditioning" [Re: sunspots]
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to be honest nunchuku are so dangerous to the person using them its a wonder why people still bother lol. 'ok heres a stick loaded with centrifugal force that you'll smash into your knuckles, face and groin a lot. have fun!'
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#211372 - 12/16/05 01:01 PM Re: "un-intentional conditioning" [Re: funstick5000]
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I hurt my shins plenty of times while warming up for bo practice. And I once almost forked myself with my sai. Oops, that hurts!!
I can't wait to get my tonfa, nunchaku and kama, to "condition" myself! (I must state, here in the Netherlands only foam / safety nunchaku are legal.)
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#211373 - 12/20/05 03:12 AM Re: "un-intentional conditioning" [Re: Ives]
WildBill Offline
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Foolsgold: "I have a bad habit of not moving when I see a kick coming in sparring"

LOL...I do it too, we wear shin pads for sparring almost all the time and if the guy is not kicking me hard enough and I am tired I just "eat it" and try to hit him with a hard cross/knee or combination of ? while he is kicking me.

It`s a bad habit to get into though I think, in some ways though it does work too. Getting hit with a bare shin hurts a lot more.
I see that not haveing shin pads really changes the way people fight/spar. Once the shin pads come off I find most people will start pulling thier kicks, afraid of hitting a knee/elbows or shin on shin. With muay thai style leg kicks and the countering blocks this is very common and it hurts like heck if not your shins are not conditioned yet.

From what I see it is mostly only the fighters that bother to condition thier shins well enough that they can really kick full out. If they have fought once or twice they know it is worth it if they plan on doing it again. In this case conditioning can win the fight. If I can block a guys kick shin too shin and he hurts himself and I don`t he is in very big trouble. I will just start pounding away with leg kicks.( although I would probably try that any way, because I can...I love leg kicks, it doesn`t hurt me much any more and heals quick enough too. Plus I get to stay out of the other guys punching and kneeing range mostly that way...I like it best if I don`t get any extra "un-intentional conditioning" on my face.)

A guy who does no such conditioning is pretty much defenseless vs some one who does at least as far as the leg kick go. ( gues he can always shoot and go too ground if he knows how and is quick about it, and its legal, its not in muay thai )

Linament and adrenaline help with the pain in a real fight, but not in sparring....no linament then. If you can do it with out linament your laughing at the other guys pain when you get the ring.

PS I made I don`t know how many sets of nunchukas as a kid.
we actually "fought" each other with them. Thank god we did not have any heavy kind of wood, just old broom sticks. I honestly think I probably hit myself in the nads or head with every single pair I made too. Those things are more dangerous too me when useing them than too any one else.....8).
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#211374 - 12/20/05 03:39 PM Re: "un-intentional conditioning" [Re: WildBill]
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I only sparred once without shin guards. After the third time of getting hit in the same spot, I had to stop because I couldn't put any weight on my leg. And that was just from the other person blocking my kicks. I wouldn't fight in a tournament without them. They help, but they certainly don't prevent injury. At the last tournament I was in, my opponent and I were both wearing shin guards, and at one point in the match we both moved and kicked such that we ended up coliding shins with a significant amount of force. Even with both of us wearing shin guards I ended up with a with a very colorful lump and bruise that took almost a month to go away. I have no doubt that if either one of us had gone without shin guards, one or the other of us would have probably ended up with a broken leg. Man, that was a fun match. Definately the most challenging and heated I've been in, and the center ref was old school, so didn't give deductions for excessive force. must...control...tournament...craving....;)

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#211375 - 12/20/05 05:22 PM Re: "un-intentional conditioning" [Re: tkd_high_green]
WildBill Offline
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Broken legs happen but they are actually not that common. More likely to break a shin if its not conditioned I would think.

I have seen one broken leg my instructors, I broke it. It was his tibia, it is quite asmall bone actually and not normally a target. It was sort of accidental, I had nothing else I could hit from inside a clench, and was getting hurt and tired so I kicked his leg where I could. We did not even know what had happened, thought it was a nerve at first.
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#211376 - 02/01/06 08:55 AM Re: "un-intentional conditioning" [Re: WildBill]
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I was at the dojo one night and some kid kept playing with the "BOB". He ran up and punched "BOB" hard and body swayed back and poped the kid in the face hard and he hit the ground. I usually keep a stern look on my face in class but I was rolling on the floor crying, laughing so hard lol.

I popped myself on the elbow really hard one time with the nunchakus trying to show my students some moves with it. Also, the back of the head really sucks too. That big bone is so tender lol.
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#211377 - 02/10/06 05:09 AM Re: "un-intentional conditioning" [Re: Xaith]
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I didn't realize the guy kicking had stopped practicing the footwork and was ready to follow through. His kick knocked the bag up hard and knocked my fist into my face. A busted lip and slightly tougher knuckles





Ha ha.... did that about 3 weeks ago. My lip was so big that it looked like a pool ball.

One of my other "conditioning" stories was when we were doing high straight knee kicks. I was getting really tired and sensei was keen for us to give it one last push. I really went at the knee kick, but my tiredness made me lean forward and I knee'd myself in the face. OW...now I know what other people feel.
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#211378 - 02/10/06 05:31 AM Re: "un-intentional conditioning" [Re: AshiharaStudent]
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My training room is right next to my kitchen. The other week while I was waiting for the kettle to boil I picked up my rattan's and started swirling against the bag. Trouble was I must have caught the bag the wrong way coz the stick bounced off the bag and hit me just above the eye. Leaving me with a nice little black eye and a trickle of blood running down my face. I felt a tad silly explaining that little injury...."I smashed myself in the face with a stick whilst maiking a cup of tea!"
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#211379 - 02/11/06 02:00 AM Re: "un-intentional conditioning" [Re: AshiharaStudent]
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I didn't realize the guy kicking had stopped practicing the footwork and was ready to follow through. His kick knocked the bag up hard and knocked my fist into my face. A busted lip and slightly tougher knuckles .





Ha ha.... did that about 3 weeks ago. My lip was so big that it looked like a pool ball.

One of my other "conditioning" stories was when we were doing high straight knee kicks. I was getting really tired and sensei was keen for us to give it one last push. I really went at the knee kick, but my tiredness made me lean forward and I knee'd myself in the face. OW...now I know what other people feel.




ahhhhh yes the high kick.......even though we don't practice kicking high in my style i do like to check the limberness of my legs from time to time. and on one of these said times i was "showing off" to some girls and so i kicked high, post leg slipped, and i fell on my bum, all in that order. even though i made a fool of myself the girls were quick to see if i was okay (yessssssss!) but i did learn not to show off anymore!
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