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#211313 - 12/04/05 09:50 PM Moving meditation
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Forms can be a moving meditation if practiced in the correct way. If you truly practice the forms without thinking about anything except the movements and Strengthening your techniques while using breath control then they become moving meditation. It does not matter what style of Martial arts you practice or which form you practice, but if you practice all of the forms you know at a moderate speed while using the best technique and breath control you Possibly can while concentrating you can obtain a state of meditation. While you increase you techniques,forms,coordination,power,speed, and acuracy and develope a sense of your own abilitys. Forms eventually become reflex and you don't even have to think about you next move when you are doing them. It is also a great way to get in shape and discipline yourself.

I believe forms/kata/patterns are a very important part of traditional martial arts and can take you to another level. Think about this the next time your doing forms in class or at home and try it out for your self.!
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#211314 - 12/04/05 10:05 PM Re: Moving meditation [Re: Mike_L]
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Walking when done with 'conscious intention' can also be a 'moving meditative exercise'
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#211315 - 12/04/05 10:13 PM Re: Moving meditation [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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I agree, I just wanted to relate it to martial arts. So your skills can be worked on while you meditate. I agree there are many ways of meditataion and no wrong way, but I like this way a lot and I believe others will to if they try it.
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#211316 - 12/05/05 08:23 AM Re: Moving meditation [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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Indeed, there are Japanese (and probably others) priests who walk into Buddhahood. They cover thousands of miles. If they don't do a required amount they have to commit suicide, apparently.
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#211317 - 12/05/05 09:18 AM Re: Moving meditation [Re: Mike_L]
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Forms eventually become reflex and you don't even have to think about you next move when you are doing them




"Conscious intention" in walking meditation is the opposite of the above quote.

Everyday walking to us have become 'unconscious'; you never think about your body walking when you walk, do you?

Well, 'conscious intention' means therefore to be fully / completely aware of all the internal / external functions of the whole body doing the walking. Your ordinarily complacent mind will, after a while, 'connects' itself to the internal activities body, and this "enlightened" awareness will loop back to the mind, stimulating it and thus cultivating "mindfulness"
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#211318 - 12/05/05 11:23 AM Re: Moving meditation [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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Quote:

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Forms eventually become reflex and you don't even have to think about you next move when you are doing them




"Conscious intention" in walking meditation is the opposite of the above quote.

Everyday walking to us have become 'unconscious'; you never think about your body walking when you walk, do you?

Well, 'conscious intention' means therefore to be fully / completely aware of all the internal / external functions of the whole body doing the walking. Your ordinarily complacent mind will, after a while, 'connects' itself to the internal activities body, and this "enlightened" awareness will loop back to the mind, stimulating it and thus cultivating "mindfulness"





I like the Zen Practice of Mindfulness in every movement. I do not like things becoming mindless, just being done and practiced. If I react in a self defense manner, or a sparring manner, then yes. Its normally mindless. But, I think most of my "moving meditations" would be more attributed to the mindfulness, or "Concious Intention" as Butterfly Palm put it.

But, that is me. I think meditation is as personal as martial arts style. We each do it for different reasons... I agree whole heartedly with the fact that meditation can be in anything. I meditate when I wash the dishes and change my son. I meditate while I clean the cat box and while I drive to work.

I don't meditate while I go to the bathroom though, I am not very appreciative of my bodily functions... ;D
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#211319 - 12/05/05 05:29 PM Re: Moving meditation [Re: phoenixsflame]
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Irrespective of the situation you're in, it should always be one of mindful intent, not mindlessness.

Whether it be sitting, standing, eating, walking, practising forms, or about to get your butt whipped, etc. etc.



Edited by eyrie (12/05/05 05:37 PM)

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#211320 - 12/05/05 06:05 PM Re: Moving meditation [Re: eyrie]
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I did not mean that you become mindless, I wanted to state that you could concentrate on meditation and make your technique better at the same time. And that you could focus on that rather than on remembering which move comes next, because you would already know, now you could make it better.

Perhaps I miss worded my thoughts.
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#211321 - 12/05/05 06:09 PM Re: Moving meditation [Re: Mike_L]
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I did not mean that you become mindless, I wanted to state that you could concentrate on meditation and make your technique better at the same time. And that you could focus on that rather than on remembering which move comes next, because you would already know, now you could make it better.

Perhaps I miss worded my thoughts.





I think we all had an understanding, I simply wanted to warn people away from simply doing things mindlessly. It is a dangerous practice to do things without thought behind them.
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#211322 - 12/05/05 07:10 PM Re: Moving meditation [Re: Mike_L]
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Mike, I was referring to phoenixflames' post:
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... I do not like things becoming mindless, just being done and practiced. If I react in a self defense manner, or a sparring manner, then yes. Its normally mindless.





On the one hand, he's saying not being mindless, and in the next breath, he's mindless under certain circumstances.

Hence my response.

I understood your post. ButterflyPalm's response is on the money.

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I wanted to state that you could concentrate on meditation and make your technique better at the same time. And that you could focus on that rather than on remembering which move comes next, because you would already know, now you could make it better.





Perhaps you meant for meditation as a way to look deeper into what you're doing as you're doing the form?

For the sake of evoking further discussion, perhaps you would like to elucidate upon the "how"?

What do you mean by "concentrate on meditation"? How does one become "better" by meditating on movement?

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