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#211164 - 12/04/05 05:22 PM Hmm. Modernization...
phoenixsflame Offline

Registered: 11/12/05
Posts: 402
Loc: Chicago, Illinois
I don't know how I feel on this, actually... Let me rephrase this.

I know how I feel, but I'm not going to place that on this thread just yet. I want to see how everyone else feels in reference to this website :,0,1545625.story?track=tottext

Its an interesting article. Come on and post and tell me what you think, once there are a few responses of peoples thoughts I'll post my thoughts as well. Praise or Concern.

Although those of you who've read my previous posts probably know my feelings already

Edited by phoenixsflame (12/04/05 06:21 PM)
While everything changes, nothing is truly lost.

#211165 - 12/04/05 06:15 PM Re: Hmm. Modernization... [Re: phoenixsflame]
chickenchaser Offline

Registered: 10/29/05
Posts: 204
Loc: Auburn,New York,U.S.A.
sorry phoenix it says the page is not available...
"The early bird gets the worm, but the bird in a hurry only gets half of one." --- Sensei Corey

#211166 - 12/04/05 06:18 PM Re: Hmm. Modernization... [Re: chickenchaser]
Alicia Offline

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Posts: 222
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I thought so too, but you have to actually cut and paste the entire address, and it's works.

Edited by Alicia (12/04/05 06:19 PM)
"If someone asked me what a human being ought to devote the maximum of his life to, I would answer: training. Train more than you sleep."
~Mas Oyama~

#211167 - 12/04/05 06:22 PM Re: Hmm. Modernization... [Re: Alicia]
phoenixsflame Offline

Registered: 11/12/05
Posts: 402
Loc: Chicago, Illinois
There, I fixed it. Stupid PHP.
While everything changes, nothing is truly lost.

#211168 - 12/04/05 10:47 PM Re: Hmm. Modernization... [Re: phoenixsflame]
harlan Offline
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Sorry, I still can't get there.

#211169 - 12/04/05 10:56 PM Re: Hmm. Modernization... [Re: harlan]
Ed_Morris Offline
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Posts: 6772
here's the content:

Kung Fu Monks Go Modern
Amid China's growing interest in religion, an abbot uses TV, films and the Web to market an ancient temple made famous by a Jet Li movie.

By Ching-Ching Ni, Times Staff Writer

SONGSHAN, China Shi Yongxin wears a bright yellow robe and heavy prayer beads and lives in an ancient shrine high up in the mountains of central China.

Yet he spends a lot of his time traveling in a chauffeur-driven jeep, jet-setting around the world and hobnobbing with Hollywood types.

No wonder some people call him a CEO in a monk's robe.

As abbot of the world-famous Shaolin Temple, the holy land of kung fu, Shi indeed plays multiple roles. His latest is executive producer of a $25-million movie about the life and times of the legendary fighting monks that is set to hit cinemas in time for the 2008 Beijing Olympics. He also has a reality TV project in the works, a kind of "American Idol" for kung fu masters.

To critics, Shi's lifestyle and projects prove how far the Shaolin Temple has strayed from its roots in an increasingly commercial society. But its controversial abbot says it's no crime to keep up with the times in order to preserve the past.

"Movies, TV shows, the Internet these are all modern communication tools," said Shi, sitting in the dark chambers of his office in the Shaolin Temple as aides with shaved heads buzzed around arranging his busy schedule on their cellphones. "We are monks living in a new era. We should take advantage of these technologies and use them to serve Buddhism and traditional culture."

At 40, Shi is one of the youngest leaders in the history of the 1,500-year-old shrine. Perhaps because of his youth, he has presided over some of the boldest moves at the birthplace of Zen Buddhism.

Among his innovations were setting up the country's first temple-based website back in 1996, when few in China had heard of the Internet. The next online move was more of a head-turner: He revealed some fighting sequences previously considered top secrets passed only to true disciples.

Shi flung open the doors of Shaolin further by sending cloistered monks all over the world to perform and promote the temple's Zen-inspired martial arts.

He knew physical prowess was not enough. He set up a corporation to defend the temple's "brand name." He was also among the first to send yellow-robed monks to take MBA courses and get doctorates.

No idea seems too far-fetched. He created a broadcasting company enabling the temple to produce film projects and oversee the selection of scripts and stars. He has been contemplating the possibility of taking his martial arts disciples to the stages of Las Vegas.

"We used to be isolated from the world. Our outside contact was only with the land, through farming," Shi said. "Now we must deal with people, it's not as simple. We need to gain knowledge, learn new skills, like study English, know about computers and study overseas."

In many ways, the Shaolin Temple is riding the wave of a Buddhist revival in China. After years of decline, it is back and more popular than ever. Thanks to the country's growing wealthy class and a yearning for spirituality, people are increasingly turning to religion and opening their wallets to show their faith.

Communist China is officially atheist, but it is home to an estimated 100 million believers of all faiths. Though hard to quantify, many are thought to be followers of traditional faiths such as Buddhism and Taoism, while an increasing number are converts to Christianity.

Old temples are rising from the ashes and being restored to their former glory. New temples are popping up from cities to the countryside. Demand is so high for religious services that sending monks to business school has become a growing necessity in the quest to better manage these thriving houses of worship.

"We are learning about communication skills, client psychology, marketing, human resources and strategic management techniques," said Chang Chun, a monk at Shanghai's Jade Buddha Temple. He is one of 18 monks taking a half-year course in business administration at Shanghai's Jiaotong University.

Located in the heart of a vibrant metropolis, Jade Buddha Temple has a wealthy clientele. That means a need for creative ways to link its modern lifestyle with an ancient religion. A colorful brochure near the entrance advertises opportunities to invite monks to bless newly purchased automobiles and real estate for a fee, of course.

"Some people think monks should do nothing but sit around and read scriptures," Xue Ming, another monk taking the business course, said as he sat in a newly built conference room with leather sofas and computer cubicles. "The times have changed we have to change too. If we stay the same, we can't survive."

By the end of the Cultural Revolution in 1976, Chinese Buddhism seemed to teeter on the brink of extinction.

Temples across the country were either destroyed or forced to serve the people in secular ways. Some morphed into factories, storage facilities, residential units and schoolhouses. Precious scriptures were burned; Buddhist statues were smashed or had their faces hacked out. Many monks were kicked out to seek new livelihoods.

Shi arrived in 1981 to find the Shaolin Temple, nestled in the hills of the misty Song Mountains in central China's Henan province, a shadow of its former self. Where once 2,000 monks lived on an estate that stretched for miles, just 12 elderly monks remained, subsisting by farming a tiny plot of land and keeping a low profile reading scriptures and practicing kung fu.

Then came "Shaolin Temple," a 1982 film that was the first Hong Kong kung fu flick to be shot at the temple. Its star was a then-unknown martial artist called Jet Li. It launched his acting career and brought international acclaim to a dilapidated monastery in the Chinese heartland.

"That movie turned out to be a great advertisement for the Shaolin Temple," Shi said.

He has no qualms about capitalizing on the temple's fame. Buddhism, after all, has always been on the cutting edge of innovation, he said. It was among the first religions to use paper to write scriptures and print scrolls. And advertising is not necessarily a bad word.

"What is a pagoda? It is like an ancient billboard," Shi said. "Buddhist statues too are a form of advertising. If we don't advertise, nobody would know about us."

The problem, however, is that the more people know about the Shaolin Temple, the more they want a piece of its good fortune.

As China moved toward a market-oriented economy, the Shaolin phenomenon to some became just another big business opportunity. Products as wide-ranging as pork sausages and cars, martial arts academies and security doors started to be marketed under the Shaolin name. In 1997, the temple made headlines by establishing a corporation and hiring lawyers to fight trademark violations.

The hardest thing for Shi is fighting the perception that the Shaolin Temple is in it for the money.

"When some people see us doing things like brand protection and movies, they think there's something inappropriate," Shi said.

"But what we are doing is in keeping with tradition. Monks from every dynasty had to adapt to the changes of society. We are monks. But we are also citizens."

#211170 - 12/04/05 11:00 PM Re: Hmm. Modernization... [Re: phoenixsflame]
JoelM Offline
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Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 6355
Loc: Georgia, USA
Copy and Paste the link worked for me...

Kind of reminds me of "Fiddler on the Roof." Facing the conflict between religion and modernization/change and how to reconcile between the two. I don't think they really had an answer, either, except to keep on keep'n on the best they could.
We should all take ourselves seriously...and then crumple that image up and toss it out the window.

#211171 - 12/04/05 11:07 PM Re: Hmm. Modernization... [Re: Ed_Morris]
Ed_Morris Offline
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Registered: 11/04/05
Posts: 6772
I think it's just sad what has happened to the Shaolin temple. After all of that history what is it now exactly? a joke and tourist attraction. They provide 'Kung-Fu' courses that are setup like college exchange programs and the foreign exchange students get their laser printed certificate and shiny sash after the course....then some of them come back to the US and open their own dojos, making sure they mention that they have been 'Shaolin Temple' trained. framed laser printed certificate in plain site. Thousands of dollars and a leave of absence from work just for that paper. If they only knew they are for sale on e-bay for $9.98!

#211172 - 12/04/05 11:43 PM Re: Hmm. Modernization... [Re: Ed_Morris]
Bushi_no_ki Offline

Registered: 05/03/05
Posts: 1669
Loc: POM, Monterey CA
I think it's a shame that times and circumstances have conspired to make this a necessity to the Shaolin. My only concern would be if they were putting the money to good use. If the profits they derived were being used to restore the temples, and care for the monks and the poor, and to educate people on Ch'an/Zen Buddhism, then I have no problem with the tactics used.

#211173 - 12/04/05 11:55 PM Re: Hmm. Modernization... [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
Ed_Morris Offline
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Registered: 11/04/05
Posts: 6772
well...thats true bushi, but there comes a point when it is just plain and simple selling out. SOMEBODY is profiting from the Shaolin temple...and I'm pretty sure it isn't mainly the dedicated monks. of course, they have sections of the temple that are off limits to any who knows really. conning the west was probably just too attractive to resist...I can't say I blame them.

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