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#210348 - 12/01/05 05:41 PM Mr Nishiyama
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I believe there are many gifted non-Japanese masters and teachers in the western world, but they are often overlooked or not given the credibility they deserve because they are non-Japanese. The colour of a persons skin, or the land of their forefathers does not make them wise or skilful, these fine qualities can be obtained by any individual with hard work, determination, and an open mind.

In evidence of this, I once asked a Japanese friend of mine to go along with me to an event in London. He was at the time an art importer and knew nothing much of the martial arts. I asked him if he would help me prove a point and not blow the cover of what was about to occur, and also for the rest of the day only speak to me in Nihongo (Japanese), and I would do the same (although limited in dialogue at that time - I got by).

We arrived at the event, and from the time we both entered the door everyone we passed bowed deeply to my friend and naturally assumed him to be a senior ranking martial arts master. Several instructors at the event hurried to make the acquaintance of the apparent master who had consented to attend the event (albeit they had no idea who he was). Sensei, allow me to introduce myself, I am, said one instructor, and at this point my friend said in Japanese, you speak. To which I said, This is Mr Nishiyama (I made the name up - it was not his real name), he speaks no English, but wishes to watch the event. Within fifteen minutes, he had a crowd around him as if he were a member of the Royal household. I continued to indulge his chit-chat and odd words for nearly an hour. We then left and made our way home with him chewing me out the whole journey back saying he would kill me if I ever did that to him again.

The next day I telephoned many of the people who had believed him to be a senior martial arts master as I had their telephone numbers, and explained who he really was and why I felt I had to prove the point that they had only behaved as they did because they assumed, he was an important master from Japan/Okinawa...

Needless to say - I am now very careful as I teach and travel around England as there are a few seniors here who owe me one...

Respectfully
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#210349 - 12/01/05 11:06 PM Re: Mr Nishiyama [Re: Grayston]
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Did you tell others that he was a martial artist, or no?

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#210350 - 12/02/05 07:49 AM Re: Mr Nishiyama [Re: Grayston]
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So you intentionally tried to make your colleagues look foolish to prove your point. Impressive.

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#210351 - 12/04/05 09:43 AM Re: Mr Nishiyama [Re: JoelM]
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Did you tell others that he was a martial artist, or no?




Sorry for the delay in replay - I've been away. No, not once did 'I' claim he was a senior martial artist - or martial artists - it was all assumption based on the fact that he was Japanese....

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#210352 - 12/04/05 09:46 AM Re: Mr Nishiyama [Re: BuDoc]
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So you intentionally tried to make your colleagues look foolish to prove your point. Impressive.

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Sorry for the delay in replay - I've been away. No, that was not the intention or the outcome - but as I state above - it was what others 'assumed' that was the interesting part... If I walked in with an American or Englishmen - I doubt it would have drawn the same interest - that was the point I was making.

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#210353 - 12/05/05 12:09 AM Re: Mr Nishiyama [Re: Grayston]
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Maybe the fact that you make it a habit to routinely bring Japanese Martial Artists to England and the fact that you were at a Martial Arts event they made a not-so unreasonable assumption of the circumstance at hand.

Maybe these people trusted you to correct them if they made such a false assumption of a person. Well, I guess you really showed them what's what.

BTW-I do understand the point you were trying to make, but I think you went about it a very poorly concocted and somewhat rude way. My opinion, nothing more.
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#210354 - 12/05/05 12:49 AM Re: Mr Nishiyama [Re: Grayston]
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your point is simple. There is cultural bias in the U.K. .....and?

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#210355 - 12/05/05 01:55 AM Re: Mr Nishiyama [Re: JoelM]
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Maybe the fact that you make it a habit to routinely bring Japanese Martial Artists to England and the fact that you were at a Martial Arts event they made a not-so unreasonable assumption of the circumstance at hand.




Excactly my point....

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Maybe these people trusted you to correct them if they made such a false assumption of a person. Well, I guess you really showed them what's what.




That's true enough - and I explained the next day and all found it amusing - I didn't do it with any ill intent - purely to explain the point that was made.

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BTW-I do understand the point you were trying to make, but I think you went about it a very poorly concocted and somewhat rude way. My opinion, nothing more.




Well, to this day I still have your mixed feelings about it - but then it made a point - and it was thought-up as we arrived because of a various articles I had read where the writer claimed it was pointless to learn under a westerner....

Respectfully,
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#210356 - 12/05/05 01:56 AM Re: Mr Nishiyama [Re: Ed_Morris]
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your point is simple. There is cultural bias in the U.K. .....and?




This is so true, here more than the USA there is a feeling that a Asian teacher will have more to offer than a westerner.

Respectfully,
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#210357 - 12/05/05 02:01 AM Re: Mr Nishiyama [Re: JoelM]
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your point is simple. There is cultural bias in the U.K. .....and?




T R U E ?

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you make it a habit to routinely bring Japanese Martial Artists to England




T R U E ?

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Maybe these people trusted you to correct them if they made such a false assumption of a person




T R U E ?

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I think you went about it a very poorly concocted and somewhat rude way




T R U E ?

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