Wax, Sensei

Is Paul Hart Sensei moving to Kent Washington to study with you? I just noticed on some older posts you live there and he is supposedly moving there.

Thank you for re-answering questions. so if Channan kata has basic/core principals, I assume you do not teach pinan kata? if I may ask, what is the kata curriculum which you teach?

also, what would you say are the main fighting principals of Channan?

when you have time...thanks again.
-E

Mr Sommers,

Paul Hart is welcome to come and visit with me, so are you and anyone else. Why would you be concerned? do I detect Fear or maybe envy?

Ed.

You are weclome as well! (mensooree)

No I do not Know the Pinnan Kata's! I have seen many people demonstrate them over the years. The main fighting principals of Channan would in my Opinnion be: Maximum Muscular contraction, speed with which force is applied, Conditioned reflex responce, and breath control or you could consider Defence followed by counter, Defence and counter combined, No defense direct counter. and Ma-ai, Kime, Hyoshi, Choshi. Kata's I know are Junjichi, Channan Tii Chi, Channan Tuu Chi, Naihanchi, Chinsu, Chinte, Chinto, Seisan, Bassai, Kushanku, with Advanced or Black Belt kata's being:
Useshi(Gojushiho)and Hakutsuru. I also learned Baihe and Huquan and Qaihequan while I was in China.

Avery

"fear or maybe envy"

Odd that is the first things that would come to your mind.

I mean if I were to make a "snap" judgement as well this is what I would be looking at and going hmmmm.... over.

Some guy, with a questionable training history, jumps into an old thread with a lot of "secret" "insider" information on a kata that pretty much died out in general practice in late 1800s early 1900's.

Guy comes on like a rocket in his first posts.

Questions the motives of those who question him.

Then subtly changes the "tone" and content of posts as specifc questions and obsevations get asked.

Hmmmm.........

What kata DOES NOT focus on or more of the following:

-"Muscular contraction"
-"Breath control"
-"Conditioned reflex"
-"defence followed by counter"
-Defense and counter combined"

And so forth?

Seems to me that those are basic concepts/principle of pretty much ALL kata--NOT just the channan/pinan/hein series.

cxt,

Fair observations.

It always is difficult to accept that which cannot be shared openly.

Of course that's not unreasonable, for there are plenty trolling to rip off anything shared and claim it their own. But wisely anything shared (in any media) is never the same as being correctly trained in an art. But it is consistent with older traditions not to make some things public.

But then when they're discussed, there is nothing but the honnor of the person posting to accept as truth, and all of us have discoveed how problematical that can be at times.

But then this is just a discussion forum, not a arbiter of truth.

Truth we ascertain for ourselves over time.

Victor

You know many folks are of the opinion that I am some kind of "hard case" about things--and thats the "kind" word for it

And to be fair--maybe I am.

My only explination--not "excuse"--explaination--is that I can only judge people by the content of what they post and how they go about their interactions on-line.

If I owe people an "I'm sorry" and a retraction of my statements then I am more than happy to say so and provide one.

The net lends itself to deception, the nature of martial arts training lends itself to claims of "secrets" known to only a few, and the nature of the arts lends itself well to fakes, frauds and huckesters of all kinds.

Been around the block a time or 5 and if I seem harsh---the blame lies in harsh experience---not harsh "intent."

excellent points. I share the scepticism but didn't feel like dealing with the expected retalitory comment of how much we suck since we don't posess 'the secrets'.

If it's secret, it's no good to me. I'll concetrate whats available where I train and discover what I discover.

true secrets can't be given or intellectually transferred ...they are physically realized. a good instructor helps students realize them.

In that way, everyone has their own 'secrets' to give and receive. movements to a kata are hollow without meaning...even if the kata movement are 'ancient' / 'lost' / 'recovered' / 'secret'. It's how the kata is used as a teaching tool that makes the difference.

so far, I haven't heard anything that this version of a kata someone is calling 'Channan' has anything in it which can't be found in other classical kata. The whole thread of discussion on it hints of a kind of 'nayh nayh - *I* have the secret kata.' attitude. lol I seriously doubt someone in their 80's who really does have great stuff to offer would bother in a open public forum just to relay that message. I have to wonder again about a question of propaganda. maybe YOU aren't selling anything, but your students....

h

Ed,

The way you guys feel is a shame! However that is the way of Karate today! I teach very few people, Karate is my Hobbie not my job! I am Retired from the U.S. Govt.) I did not make offer to sale any kata to any one! I only stated I would teach the Kata to those who had a Genuine intrest in learning it! Seems you fellows had rather talk about and Gossip more than learn! Hey that is O.K. I already explained to you Ed what Hohan Soken said there is no such thing as (Secret Techniques) not if you have a good Instructor. There are many who know the Real Channan Kata's just because you guys do not does not make them Secret. However your Naiveness makes it easy for folks such as Elmer Schmisser to sell many copies of their propaganda and make Huge Profit's