I'm afraid there are a few holes in your logic.
Q.# 1 Why did Ankoh Itosu change the Channans to Pinnans?
A # 1. So he could teach them to the School Children!
I guess it depends what you call school children. In Itosu's day 90% of Okinawan youth didn't attend school. And his teaching was really for secondary school (high school) students to prepare them for possible induction draft into the Japanese military.
A strong case can be made his kata were used to teach drilling (as in military basic training) more than karate, so those youth if drafted would have a better heads up in the Japanese military and to make their bodies stronger from the physical training.
I don't know about you but I wouldn't call them children, rather young adults. (who can be as foolish as children of course, as adults of all ages may be.)
Q # 2. Why did he Change the Bunkia Okuden and Oyo?
A # 2. He took out the Deadly Techniques so children would not cause mischeif or hurt themselves or others.
Referring to my previous answer, the purpose of the training wasn't the study of applying karate. What school administrator would countance students being trained for that. Later in time other instructors would start clubs in various schools and younger students were trained, but that wasn't what Itosu was trying to do.
Q # 3.Why Was Karate Changed?
A # 3.To teach it to children and export it to Japan the Chinese parts (flow) were removed.
All I've seen is real karate always changed, there is not proof otherwise. Instructors who went to Japan met the needs of their students, and it was more for raw physical training than hand to hand combat, which at that time in the world every military had moved into modern weaponry.
Also they didn't teach children. Funakoshi went into the University sytems and the Naval war college. Mabuni went into the universities too. The children issues is specious, get it right. They sold their art as much as for university physical training as they did for self defense, and in time the method of training changed, but then it was the Japanese who did it, not necessarily the Okinawans.
Short cuts trying to understand those times is shoddy thinking.
Q #4.Why was karate changed from Tang Hand (China Hand) to empty Hand. The Kanji was changed in order to export Karate to Japan from Okinawa so the Japanese would like it as they hated anything Chinese.
Of course Japan was ***ing China at that time. They had conquered Korea and all of the other pre WWII fun stuff. If you were going into Japan in the 1920's and wanted to convince any japanese to study your art, you would hardly want to call it Chineses as Japan was doing many nasties to China. The Okinawan's weren't corageous, nor were they stupid. They were trying to find a way to survive in the Depression, Okinawa couldn't feed their families, and many were leaving. The karate teachers were trying to survive or help their families gain position.
Q #5.Why do so many people look for old Kata Or the Channan's
A#5.They want to find the missing void in their Karate.
I really disagree with that. There's nothing missing with any system. The desire to understand the past is to undestand why karate changed and the more that is understood it will help guide how it will change in the future. Karate is change, and it is keeping alive a link with the past. All of the kata always changed in live karate.
Q #6 Why do people look for teachers on Okinawa?
A # 6 They do not understand that many Masters left Okinawa taking their Karate with them in their Brains and what ever family members could go or that many Karate Masters were killed in the fighting so were their families, they do not understand that Okinawa was Sterilized and Sanatized during W.W.II and most people (Okinawan's) left only new (modern) or Itosu and Funakoshi based Karate was left. One reason is Japan Proper where Funkoshi exported his version of Itosu Karate to remained because the war was not fought on Japan Proper that was the purpose Okinawa to keep the Americans Off the Home Land.Okinawa became the Board on which the war took place.
It's a wide world. You are right about the disporia, and there is much karate that is no longer on Okinawa. For one thing we killed at least a 1/3 of the island people in WWII. And many Okinawan long ago moved elsewhere too. But there is no proof that the other Okinawan communities didn't change as time passed either. Oral history may say so, but prove it as there is no proof exactly what was done in Okinawa in the past either, just very brief glimpses and of course Oral History.
Q # 7 Is your Karate different than ours?
A # 7 Yes My Karate is not Itosu Based or Funakoshi Based do to the rare Lineage that escaped Okinawa to Hawaii and America.(Let's hide it under their nose.)
O I like this answer. Of course as my karate isn't Itosu based or Funakoshi based either, and mine came originally from Okianwa not Hawaii.......but prove it makes much difference.
Q # 8. Could there be other systems that left Okinawa?
A#8 Sure there can be! Hohan Sokken went to Argentina then back to Okinawa however at first he did not change his karate but he did before he started teaching the American's
I agree. Soken actually for what 20 or so years worked withing the Okinawan community and only had one non Okinawan student who opened a dojo in South America (that person is now deceased). It would be interesting to see what the karate there represents these days..
Q # 9 Why are their so many styles of Karate, and why do people start their own Karate Systems, and import other systems to create mixed martial arts.
Hmmmm that's a tough one. Probably the same reason Mabuni studied with many instructors and crafted his Shito-ryu, or why Taira trained with many instructors and crafted his kobudo. A logical case might be made that Hiagonna K. and Uechi did the same thing. If anything the entire world just looked at what actually happened in Japan/Okinaw say during the early 1900's and decided if it was good enough for them to do the same.
A # 9 They are trying to fill the void put the system back together to find the things that Itosu and Funakoshi took out. That is why many systems combine other systems in to theirs that is also why most people take more than one Martial Art the are trying to fill in the holes!
Perhaps but I really disagree. For one thing I've studied many systems, some for decades, but I still practice my original. I never tried to fill holes, but took advantage of training opportunities that I could, and in turn simply studied what I was shown.. Then practice it for several decades and it becomes as much a part of you as your original studies. .I know youv'e done the same in your Chinese training. Were you looking for the void in Okinawan karate?
Just some counterpoint discussion.
I don't believe in simple answers, and all I'm trying to suggest is the questions you ask may have more complex answers than the ones you've given.
I may be right and I may very well be wrong, but this is what I've learnt to this point in time.
BTW, pound for pound, the best martial artist I've trained with, the most explosive and most responsive practitioner in any art had a father who trained with Funakoshi in the 30's in Japan.
It's always been the person and what they can do, not the training, which is just part of the picture.
Edited by Victor Smith (07/12/06 08:32 AM)
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