Yep! It's a vs. thread on actors! Who is the toughest? Who would win in an actual film fight? Seagal? VanDamme? Li? No guns allowed! They've all been shot or stabbed and yet still managed to be victorious over the gang of bad guys!! Who is the toughest? I'll say Seagal,remember in Above the Law when he was captured and tortured,later he was shot also,but still kicked everyone's tail! lol.

In an actual fight my money is on Benny Urquidez. From the point of view of bravery and physical toughness, Jackie Chan has ball$ of steel! To work through so many injuries/bone breaks and keep working with the same fearless intensity into his 50's takes something extraordinary.

As far as "Acting" goes, Seagal has that certain way about him. He definately can act like the toughest out of all of the MA actors thats for sure!

I also like the texas ranger character that Chuck Norris portrays in Walker. He acts pretty darn tough as well.

But I would also have to agree with Cord. Jackie Chan is the man. God...the pain he has endured through man, its almost super human! He really is the essence of "toughness" in my book!

Well, if it's about movies, not reality...I like Wesley Snipes.

Gene Lebell, No question. He was awarded his 9th dan in Judo from the Kodokan recently.

Is Gene Lebell an actor? He's tough,no doubt!!

I watched the punisher today. That guy was shot,stabbed,blown up,and thrown into walls,but still managed to kill everyone in full view of the public without legal repricussions !!

Le Belle has done his bit in films, mainly as stunts/fight man.

Dolph Lundgren is my other vote.

That being said, Mr Miyagi would have handed them all their behinds in a sushi dish.

Toshihiro Obata (shinkendo/aikijitsu). Played Shredder's main henchman in TNMT, and had various bit parts in many action flicks. He's apparently 5' tall and built like a brick sh!thouse.

Samo Hung (Martial Law) and longtime Jackie Chan sidekick.

And Jackie Chan of course!

Many of the well known fight choreographers are good fighters in their own right, e.g. Corey Yuen, Jeff Imada, Patrick McCarthy (yes! Pat showed me a photo of him and Steve Martin on the set of Roxanne, showing Steve how to throw a punch).

As much as I like Steven Seagal, I don't think he's the toughest. IMHO, Jackie Chan is the toughest. At 55, he still does all his own stunts. The number of accidents he's had during filming, where stunts have gone very very wrong, it's amazing he's still in great form.

I've seen out takes of him breaking his leg on the set of Rumble in the Bronx, and then continuing to perform the stunts with his leg in a cast. Joe Average would have been side lined.

So Brian, we going to have a vote or what? Maybe have a short list of nominations and have everyone vote?