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#208617 - 11/27/05 03:38 PM fasting
gojuwarrior Offline
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Registered: 11/17/05
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Loc: New Jeresy,U.S.A
Has anyone fasted here successfully?And which type is better,juice or water.Would you also recommend training on a fast.Thank you,first time faster.
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#208618 - 11/27/05 04:14 PM Re: fasting [Re: gojuwarrior]
Cord Offline
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There are other threads on fasting knocking around, and I said on them what i say to you: Fasting is bad. Your body needs fuel to maintain proper function. Fasting does not detox the body. You may feel 'cleansed' psychologicaly, but physiologicaly doing without nutrients make the body produce more toxins than normal during the breakdown of body tissue to feed yourself.
See how far your car gets without fuel. The body is just an engine and obeys the same laws.
Years ago there was this cabbage soup/fruit juice detox diet doing the rounds, no one mentioned that this was devised for people of morbid obesity, under hospital supervision, to complete in an attempt to get their bodyweight to a state where it was safe for them to be operated on. Fasting is that extreme and potentialy damaging to the body.
Eat well, and not to excess. Too many people have no choice but to go hungry in this world, it is a sign of our decadence and privelidged position that we can entertain such a situation out of misguided choice.
A fool and his dinner are soon parted.
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#208619 - 11/27/05 05:41 PM Re: fasting [Re: Cord]
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Ehhh,i must disagree cord.Fasting is the sure fire way of cleaning the body.The food we put in our body builds up toxins to a staggering degree.It has scientific backing in many degrees.At any givin time we are carring anywere between 3-15 pounds of waste that has to be cleaned out.
Sorry but i disagree,but you are still cool in my book .Read "Natural cures they dont want you to know about",and "the toxic cure".
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#208620 - 11/28/05 12:38 AM Re: fasting [Re: gojuwarrior]
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Fasting is the sure fire way of cleaning the body.




No, fasting is a sure-fire way of losing lean body mass.

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The food we put in our body builds up toxins to a staggering degree.It has scientific backing in many degrees.




Unless you are chewing on a radioactive piece of lead and drinking liquid mecrury, your body is not stockpiling anything toxic.

Yes, there have been concerns over levels of toxins in farmed salmon and the like, but even eating these in a limited amount is safe. And drinking cabbage juice isn't going to change these levels.

The humna body is increbidly efficent at self cleaning. Go read a physiology text on the hepatic and renal system.

And scientific backing? Let's see it.
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At any givin time we are carring anywere between 3-15 pounds of waste that has to be cleaned out.




You are kidding me, right? This is an old tree-hugger's wives tale. After a patient has been NPO for 24 hrs and has a colonoscopy, there's nothing to see but colon.

If you are carrying around 15lbs of "waste", maybe all a person needs to do is eat more fibre

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Read "Natural cures they dont want you to know about",and "the toxic cure".




And the author's of these books have what kind of medical credentials?
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#208621 - 11/28/05 02:47 AM Re: fasting [Re: gojuwarrior]
trevek Offline
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While not arguing about medical facts, purely cos I don't know any better, I fasted a couple of times for about three days. I was solely on water and herbal tea.

This was for both detox and a way of readjusting my dietary habits. In both cases it worked quite well, however I wouldn't recommend it for everyone and I certainly wouldn't use it as a means to losing weight (I tried that once too... ended up with dietary supplements of an antidepressant sort!).

I would only think about it if you are both physically and psychologically in reasonable shape.

IF you decide to try it try single days to three days max for the first couple of times. Don't get macho and feel you have to complete it if you start feeling unwell. Also, don't be stupid about it and try doing lots of weights etc (the body still needs nutrients and a drop in sugar levels aint nice) and be careful about driving/ operating machinery etc.
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#208622 - 11/28/05 05:21 PM Re: fasting [Re: gojuwarrior]
Cord Offline
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I stand completely by my post, and no qualified nutritionist/dietician with any credibility that i know of would advocate the cessation of nutrient supply to the body. Absolute lunacy. During the time you are fasting, your body will breakdown muscle tissue to feed itself, and waste products will increase in the blood stream as a result of catabolism. This is true scientific fact. I can not put my case more clearly or accurately than this.
All are more than welcome to their opinion, Dr Kellog believed that a combination of cornflakes and colonic irrigation would benefit health and 'cure' people of sexual urges, I put fasting in this category of crazy I am afraid. YOU NEED FUEL TO LIVE. THE BODY'S FUEL IS FOOD. NO FOOD= BAD.
Have you ever thought of the pyschological ramifications of promoting positive aspects of fasting to all and sundry? When does 'cleansing' become anorexia? Positive enforcement of starvation has potential to sow dangerous seeds.
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#208623 - 11/29/05 01:39 AM Re: fasting [Re: gojuwarrior]
laf7773 Offline
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Registered: 05/05/04
Posts: 4064
Loc: Limbo
Fast all you want, there is a reason people die of starvation. I guess this is going to have to be pounded into people’s heads over and over. Your body MUST have food. You MUST have a certain number of calories a day in order to maintain basic bodily functions like breathing and blood circulation. If your not eating, your not taking in calories, if your not taking in calories your body will start taking nutrients from your lean muscle and your body will start to shut down.

As for your books you suggest. I've never heard of "the toxic cure" but the other book you suggest is written by a man with NO background in nutrition what so ever. The writer, Kevin Trudeau, is not only a nutritionist but an ex-con with no education on the subject to speak of. He's an infomercial "guru" who is only looking to make a buck regardless of the cost. Follow his nutritional "advice" if you want but don't encourage others to put them selves in harms way with your misinformation.

It's one thing to discuss personal experiences here. It's another to promote unhealthy and potentially deadly habits. I suggest you use a little foresight before starting a topic such as this next time. We have no control over who views this forum but we do have some responsibility for the impression we give them. Feel free to link to any “scientific backing” from an academic source. The Kevin Trudeau book you mentioned is far from justification.
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#208624 - 11/29/05 02:08 AM Re: fasting [Re: laf7773]
JoelM Offline
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Registered: 07/26/04
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Loc: Georgia, USA
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#208625 - 11/29/05 02:11 AM Re: fasting [Re: laf7773]
Alicia Offline
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Registered: 03/19/05
Posts: 222
Loc: BC, Canada
Have you found any peer-reviewed, Medical Journals or periodicals that encourage fasting?

Why exactly, have you decided to fast?
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#208626 - 11/29/05 02:12 AM Re: fasting [Re: laf7773]
BrianS Offline
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Registered: 11/04/05
Posts: 5959
Loc: Northwest Arkansas
Forcing yourself to go without food is illogical. Your body will fight it and eventually win. There are some weird people out there with weird ideals. I saw a woman on 'wife swap' that stands outside naked staring at the sun to gain nutrients. She believed it is the cure for world hunger! Her family didn't cook anything and basically lived off of salad and birdseed. They all looked terribly unhealthy!
Food,it does a body good.
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