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#208421 - 11/27/05 12:18 AM True Stories...
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We'll never really know if things happened just as people say, but a story itself can sometimes be useful in delivering a lesson. Share a story you've heard/read and provide the source when known.

"To (Chojun) Miyagi, kicking and punching to expected targets was not karate. One of his senior students Meitoku Yagi (who went on to form the Meibukan Goju ryu organization) tells this story. One day a visitor to Miyagi’s dojo was showing off, asking students to punch him in the stomach to show how strong he was. Miyagi watched and after a while went over to this student. The student tightened his stomach waiting for Miyagi to test him, but Miyagi instead kicked him in the groin. Miyagi then commented that karate is not just to punch and kick to where people are strong, but to punch and kick where they are not expecting it and where they are weak."
source: http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=424

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#208422 - 11/27/05 09:41 PM Re: True Stories... [Re: Ed_Morris]
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"When I cam to Tokyo, their was another Okinawan who was teaching karate there quite actively. When in Okinawa I hadn't even heard his name. Upon the guidance of another Okinawan, I went to the place where he was teaching youngsters, where he was running his mouth, bragging. Upon seeing this, I grabbed his hand, took up the position of kake-kumite,and sai 'What will you do?' He was hesitant, and I thought to punch him would be too much, so I threw him with kote-gaeshi at which time he fell to the ground with a thud. He got up, his face red, andsaid 'Once more', so we took up the position of kake-kumite again. And again I threw him with kote-gaeshi. He did not relent and asked for another bout, so he was thrown the same way for a third time"

-Motobu Choki on his meeting with Funakoshi Gichin for the first time.

Nakata Mizuhiko, "Ryukyu Kenpo Karate-jutsu Tatsujin Motobu Choki Seiden"; Article #37 p.52-54

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#208423 - 11/28/05 02:56 AM Re: True Stories... [Re: BuDoc]
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This is one of my early instructors favorite stories about myself.

When I was 9 years old, my Sensei and I were visiting another Dojo a days drive away. It was a large group of us, it was a tournament and we ended up doing well. Afterwards my Sensei and the instructor of the Dojo we had attended gathered all their students and we went to eat.

We all got along decently, except among the kids there was some tension. During the Kumite one of the boys felt he been wronged because he was disqualified for repeated violation of control. He hit two kids, one in obvious malice the one before that could've been an accident. I was the one who ended up taking first because of his aggression. The boy and his friends came to the arcade where I had taken up residence (Ahh, memories.) and began to start trouble, I didn't understand the big deal so I only half paid attention. Things got elevated and loud and people started to come over. He ended up trying to hit me, so I ducked and panicked.

Instead of punching him, or hitting him, I gave him a big ol' sloppy kiss on the mouth, Akin to Bugs Bunny, and said "whats up Doc!" before bolting past the stunned boy towards the safety of my instructor.


Not quite a regal tale of martial arts glory, but... I think as a father I'd rather my son did that, then got into a fight. Pacifism is Fun!
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#208424 - 11/28/05 10:05 AM Re: True Stories... [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Heres a segment about Gene Lebell meeting Bruce Lee, the rest can be found through the link:

"When I got to the set Benny pointed Bruce out and told me to go put him in a headlock or something… Well, I’m a good employee and I always listen to the boss, so I went over to grab Bruce and he starts making all those crazy noises he became famous for. As a joke, I picked him up and put him on my shoulder in a fireman's carry kind of thing, then I ran down the length of the set and back again. Bruce says "put me down or I'll kill you". So I run down the set again and he says, "put me down" and I say "I can't put you down or you'll kill me". After that I sat down and talked to my boss and the other crew members for a couple minutes with him up on my shoulder. He finally crawled off, we all had a good laugh, and we went and shot our scenes."

http://www.genelebell.com/stories.asp#10brucelee

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#208425 - 12/03/05 05:51 PM Re: True Stories... [Re: Ed_Morris]
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In Okinawa, one of Gusukuma Shinpo's students was abus driver.

One time a drunk got on board the bus and started to cause trouble with the passengers by trying to pick a fight.

The student yelled at the drunk, " Do you really want to fight?" The drunk was quick to take up the challenge and demanded to fight now. The student said he would be more than happy to show him his fighting prowess.

At this the drunk became very angry and demanded that the driver open the door so that they could go at it. When the door opened, the drunk stormed off and readied himself by taking off his coat.

As the drunk got off the student simply smiled, quickly closed the door of the bus and drove off with the drunk in hot pursuit. After a several hundred foot run, the drunk fell and threw up on himself.

The driver had nothing to prove to the drunk or to himself. All of the passengers laughed and told the driver that he had used good strategy.


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#208426 - 12/04/05 09:42 AM Re: True Stories... [Re: BuDoc]
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The British sensei Mike Finn told a a similar story of when he was in Japan. One day in a railway station a drunk was hassling a Japanese lady and he felt he (Finn) should intervene. Before he could an old man stepped in his way and took the drunk aside, chatting like old friends.

As the doors on the train were about to close the old man gave the drunk an almighty shove, which sent him backwards into the train carriage. The doors shut and the train (with drunk) went away.
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#208427 - 12/04/05 02:09 PM Re: True Stories... [Re: trevek]
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those are kindof like the Bruce Lee flick where he misguides a beligerent American to a tethered dingy while everyone aboard the main ship laughs and points at the helpless Uncle-flotsam. lol I loved that lesson. BL had some good lessons in his movies.

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#208428 - 12/04/05 10:05 PM Re: True Stories... [Re: Ed_Morris]
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"Sometimes karate training can be called training as a tiger or training as a sheep.

If you train as a tiger, hard training and body conditioning, you can always train with tigers. Other tigers will also recognize you and you can train in peace with them. They know that when two tigers fight, one will die of injuries today and one will die of injuries tomorrow. Both will die, so they have nothing to prove.

If you train like a sheep, with no contact and no two-man conditioning, then you can only train with sheep. A tiger can train with tigers and he can also train with sheep. He just has to be careful not to hurt them. A sheep can not train with tigers.

Sheep see tigers as being very frightening and their conditioning will cause cancer. A sheep training with tigers will get eaten up.

Sometimes you see a sheep who sees the truth of tiger training and changes. In reality the sheep was actually a tiger in sheeps clothing, waiting to come out. A sort of cross dresser--ha ha.

Watch people in training. Look at how they act and how they behave. A tiger can be like a little kitty, but dangerous even though he is friendly. They are quiet and watch everything. Thry listen and watch. They know who they are and they have nothing to prove. They are at peace.

Sheep on the other hand, make all kinds of noises and demand to be heard. They run around and seem to crave attention. They are easily hurt and easily scared. They always group together for their own protection. When danger approaches they look to the group for protection because they can not defend themselves. They are easy prey for the tigers. Whether it is one sheep or several,sheep are still sheep."

-Tomoyose Ryuko , Uechi-Ryu


I know this isn't strictly a tale. It's more like a lesson. But I think it is important and thought others might enjoy it.

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#208429 - 12/06/05 04:29 PM Re: True Stories... [Re: BuDoc]
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thanks for that, it makes a lot of sense in the way i feel about karate and other things right now. i want to train as a tiger - but i don't have the availability.
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#208430 - 12/06/05 10:07 PM Re: True Stories... [Re: funstick5000]
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Funstick,

If you have it in your heart to train like a tiger, use whatever is available!

Best of luck,

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#208431 - 12/07/05 09:06 AM Re: True Stories... [Re: funstick5000]
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#208432 - 12/07/05 12:23 PM Re: True Stories... [Re: oldman]
BuDoc Offline
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I can't stop laughing at that!


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#208433 - 12/07/05 02:17 PM Re: True Stories... [Re: BuDoc]
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*calls sister over* "just stand still, this won't hurt"
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#208434 - 12/07/05 09:29 PM Re: True Stories... [Re: funstick5000]
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TWO KINDS OF KARATE

"Okinawans recognize two kinds of karate. One is called budo karate and the other is called sport karate. I teach budo karate- this is the traditional karate of Okinawa. A large number of people, especially in the United States, teach and practice sport karate. People are attracted to sport karate and that is OK. That is for them, but it is not for me."

"I choose budo karate because it is a way of life. Sport karate is only good when you are young and people have to understand that sport karate is not the real karate of Okinawa. Budo karate can include a little bit of sport in it and that is OK- a little is OK, but those that practice only sport karate find a distaste for the budo aspect. There is also a danger in that many practitioners say they practice budo karate, but their training does not reflect that-they only think that they are practicing budo karate, and in some cases they even hope that they are practicing budo karate. They do not know because they may have never been exposed to it."

"Not everyone can or should practice budo karate. Budo karate is commitment and dedication. In this case, as a budo karate teacher, have to pick those that you can teach budo karate to. These individuals train hard and are mannerly in their ways. Budo karate is then a challenge to them- and they can and will accept this type of trainng."

" Nowadays people concentrate on sport karate too much. They throw punches and kicks without any focus and without any commitment. In the old days, karate focused on one punch and one kick. People have gotten away from this philosophy. I teach this, and I stree this philosophy. So now it is the only way I know, and through training in this fashion you find that it is also the best way."

"Sport karate is not for me or my students. We practice the budo style of karate. I am teaching my grandson budo karate. All he knows now is budo karate. I have taught him for two years the principles and methods of Sanchin. He is still working on it. Maybe one more year, then I will teach him the kata Sanchin. One time he saw others practicing the kata Sanchin and said that it was clear to him that they did not know what they were doing. When you have one, two, or three kata that are important- like Sanchin,Seisan,and Saseiryu- it is necessary that you research deeply these kata. Not just the surface knowledge, but the dep knowledge and understanding of budo karate kata. This is real karate kata knowledge."

"I teach my Grandson budo karate because I truly love him. You cannot teach budo karate to everyone. Their character and their minds may not accept this method. So you must watch the students training and see how they are as people, as persons and as human beings. Are they honest? Do they train hard? Do they have strong but pliant minds? Above all you must decide whether you can trust them and they must trust you as their teacher. When they give you this commitment, then they can begin learning budo karate."

" Budo karate stresses the toe kick and the single point fist. This is developing a true weapon. It is a hard way and not all can have the mind or determination to develop this. This is also part of budo karate."

"The toe kick is budo karate. The ball of the foot kick is sport karate. Look to see which one is easier. The easier one relates to the sport aspect. The hard one is budo- a hard road, a hard path, but one that is followed by the warrior."

"Sport karate is not for me. Even in Shorin Ryu, the late Chibana Sensei used the toe kick. Nowaays the new practioners look for the easy way and use the ball of the foot kick. That is OK- they practice sport karate but it is not for me or my students. Do you use the toe kick?"

"To develop the toes you must practice balancing on your toes to toughen them. It is difficult to develop, but anything worth having means hard work. You must work the toes all the time and they soon will develop into potent weapons. Every class I teach, I practice balancing on my toes. It is now a habit."

" Traditional Okinawan karate means kicking to the body, but I see all these students working on their high kicks. It looks good, but once again, that is part of sport karate. I tell them it is OK to practice high kicks as long as they understand that it is all part of sport. I don't teach sport, but I don't discourage it."

" The students ask about learning to fight. I tell them if they really want to learn to fight deadly, then buy a gun. havinga gun is a much better way of fighting. Learning budo karate takes a long time, larning to shoot a gun correctly takes about a day. Learning to kill with a gun takes even less time. Learning budo karate can take a lifetime."

WINNING AND LOSING [when pressed about differences in budo and sport, Senseis private thoughts took a different tone-Page]

"Even in Okinawa there are many that do sport karate. I call this bulls**t karate. everyone knows them. But I think in the US that there is more bulls**t karate because you have so many more people."

"Let us sit down and talk about budo karate and sport karate. Many students love to practice sport karate. sometimes they ask me what I think of their methods of sport. I say that sport karate is bulls**t karate. they never ask me that question again. hat is OK if they do not want to hear the truth."

" Bulls**t karate is concerned only about winning. For example, winning championships. Not everyone can win. So the champions are champions and the others-- they are losers because they did not win. So these practioners of sport karate tell me that they are not champions then they must be the other, right? These people give excuses, or say that you don't understand sport. In the end the champion is still the champion and everyone else are losers. What would you call them?"

"Winning and making others losers- to me this is the real heart of bulls**t karate. In budo we all train to make ourselves a better person. The only competition is within yourself. In this way we are all striving to be winners and champions. We strive to be better human beings, better people. This is a far more worthy goal than a tin trophy. Others will argue over this but that is OK. It is OK forthem to practice bulls**t karate, but for me it is only budo karate. If they show me their bulls**t karate, I say that it is good. It is good for them but it is not real karate and it is not for me. This is a very important point for me. I cannot force people to accept my truth, I can just show them and let them make the decision to follow or not follow. Whichever direction they follow, I will still practice budo karate!"

-Tomoyose Ryuoko, Hanshi (Uechi Ryu)

My teacher has been a friend of Tomoyose Ryuko. This lesson, as well as countless others from various illuminaries, was shared with me as a young man. For good or bad this and others has shaped and influenced the way I practice, select students and teach.

I felt that it was fitting in that it tied in with several recent or current topics all aound the forums.

This is a representative sample of one of the old voices. Learn from it, or parts of it, or cast it away completely. There are a few here that will truly understand.

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#208435 - 12/08/05 09:50 AM Re: True Stories... [Re: BuDoc]
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Thats awesome Budoc, Thanks for sharing it!

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#208436 - 12/09/05 12:59 PM Re: True Stories... [Re: BuDoc]
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"Budo [the martial Way] means to live and to die fully: with full awareness, with sharpness, with intensity, with compassion. It's a good path, and it's open for anyone. So let's walk together." - Toyoda Shihan

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#208438 - 12/10/05 03:00 PM Re: True Stories...
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i take an opposing stance on you with this. the way you approach martial arts often reflects the way you approach life, when this speaker talks of tigers he speaks of people who train hard to be the best they can be putting aside pain, fear and everything else to become the best they can be.
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I want to be skilled like a gymnast. I want to know that I am the best I can be.




sound familiar?

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Watch people in training. Look at how they act and how they behave. A tiger can be like a little kitty, but dangerous even though he is friendly. They are quiet and watch everything. Thry listen and watch. They know who they are and they have nothing to prove. They are at peace.




this is what he means by tigers. you fail to mention that in your post.

aside from the points i've already made style bashing is against the rules of this forum.

oh and every country in the world is racist, sexist, authoritarian and violent. to think that you're different from everyone else is very ignorant.

and a suggestion if i may, stop looking at the whole - look at the people who make it up. or as we say here 'look at the practicioner not the art'.
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#208439 - 12/11/05 07:25 PM Re: True Stories...
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Anyone who makes sweeping statements about any society or ethnicity is a racist. racism is born thru ignorant and irrational fear. ignorant and irrational fear is the sheep staying with it's herd instead of thinking for itself like a tiger.

you sound like a sheep.

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#208440 - 12/11/05 10:22 PM Re: True Stories...
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First I must apologize. That excerpt was a lesson for myself and some senior students. It was designed to be layered on a sound foundation and many years of training.

I shared it in public because there are many here that have a sound foundation and have trained diligently for many years and can benefit fron the lesson and integrate it into their own training.

It was not for layman or martial arts dabblers, although someday it could be.

Second. The man that stayed it was Okinawan and had no particular affinity for the Japanese.

Third. He was a kind and caring, compassionate family man. Never known to be a racist and embraced many American students of various colors and creeds.

He was a tiger. As are his true students. As are his friends. As am I.

The fact that you interpreted it the way that you did provides insight as to where you are in your training.

It is Ok. Not everyone can be a tiger. The world needs sheep.

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#208441 - 12/11/05 11:47 PM Re: True Stories... [Re: BuDoc]
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#208442 - 12/12/05 07:41 AM Re: True Stories... [Re: eyrie]
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Ah! the Christmas Tiger in sheeps clothing!

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#208443 - 12/12/05 08:26 AM Re: True Stories... [Re: BuDoc]
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I admit with pride to being a sheep. That being said, I am no lemming.

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#208444 - 12/12/05 12:33 PM Re: True Stories... [Re: oldman]
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Budoc,

Very nice story...


Oldman, sometimes I feel like a furball in the wrecked him of life.....

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#208445 - 12/12/05 12:57 PM Re: True Stories... [Re: oldman]
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Could be worse, consider the concept of a 'Paper Sheep'.

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