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#207349 - 11/23/05 12:23 AM Re: New Buddha?? [Re: eyrie]
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I've often wondered this...think about this for a sec:

If the real Buddha,Jesus,Mohammed were born, let's say in the 1970's, how would they be viewed today? with laughter, spectical or reverence? I think the treatment would be pretty similar today or 500, 1000 or 2000 years ago...only later, do people usually realize real wisdom taught.

Their message eventually gets distorted and lost in time, but every once in a great while there is someone to remind us of it. 'saviors' indeed...saviors of a message. nothing more. nothing more important to people listening.

Even if this is a hoax to get those coins flowing into the village...locally at least, isn't it still a victory against suffering?

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#207350 - 11/23/05 01:30 AM Re: New Buddha?? [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Quote:

If the real Buddha,Jesus,Mohammed were born, let's say in the 1970's, how would they be viewed today? with laughter, spectical or reverence? I think the treatment would be pretty similar today or 500, 1000 or 2000 years ago...only later, do people usually realize real wisdom taught




All prophets are ahead of their times; if not, how could they be prophets in the first place. We don't call newscasters prophets do we, though we get news messages from them daily at 7.30?

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Their message eventually gets distorted and lost in time, but every once in a great while there is someone to remind us of it. 'saviors' indeed...saviors of a message. nothing more. nothing more important to people listening




If people listen at all, all prophets will be out of a job.

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Even if this is a hoax to get those coins flowing into the village...locally at least, isn't it still a victory against suffering?




Victory by deceit is not victory. To some, suffering is an end in itself; it has a cleansing effect, much like people who dip themselves in freezing water during winter.

As a side note, I've often being referred to by people who know me personally as the "Old Buddha" (in view of my sage-like looks and a thoughtful lack of concern for the mundane) which, incidentally, was my first choice as a username for this Forum, but, for good reason, thought better of it.

For reasons of topicality, can I change now? Ed Morris AFKA Kintama?
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#207351 - 11/23/05 01:36 AM Re: New Buddha?? [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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I'm not sure what to make of this, myself. A local radio show was talking about this today, but didn't go into details much. We'll have to wait and see what happens next.

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#207352 - 11/23/05 07:49 AM Re: New Buddha?? [Re: ButterflyPalm]
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deceit. interesting choice of words. let's say 1,000 years from now people are remembering what this boy did to 'attain' enlightenment...lets say it inspires them to do the same.
Are those peoples paths based on a lie, since we know the boy was in kahoots on a peddling scam? or are peoples path true and only inspired from their belief that the boy was in good faith?

now, take those thoughts and apply them to current sources of people's faith. If tomorrow, it was absolutely proven without a doubt (hypothetically of course) that Jesus had ulterior motives, would it make people's inspiration any less? perhaps, perhaps not. All I'm saying is we might benefit to think deeper before writing 'buddha-boy's message off.

yes, you can change the subject if I'm boring you.

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#207353 - 11/23/05 08:53 AM Re: New Buddha?? [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Sorry...did 'Buddha boy' have a message? (I must have missed that in the story.) Was it for sale...or just the pics?

A clarification on 'deceit'. Operating in a realm where thought is real, one impure thought is as destructive as a train wreck. Enlightened individuals are in the pursuit of 'truth', and any form of hypocrisy would be viewed as detrimental to their evolution. There are instances where the activities of gurus can appear confusing to outsiders...but I don't think that that applies in this case.


Edited by harlan (11/23/05 09:08 AM)

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#207354 - 11/23/05 09:29 AM Re: New Buddha?? [Re: harlan]
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did he have a message? I don't know, does he? If people are talking about this 1,000 years from now will it make anything more or less valid?
To someone possibly, since they are already talking about building something on the spot. obviously, someone would want to 'remember' something that happened there....or maybe to mark another tourist attraction no different from the largest twine ball in Darwin, Minnesota? lol

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#207355 - 11/23/05 10:02 AM Re: New Buddha?? [Re: Ed_Morris]
harlan Offline
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So...get off the fence. What do you think?

Here is a 'message' from a Buddha:

'Buddhas do not wash away ill deeds with water,
Nor remove transmigrators' sufferings with their hands,
Nor transfer their realizations to others.
Beings are freed through the teachings of the truth...
of the nature of things.'

If one basic teaching of Buddhism is the impermanence of things...why build for posterity? Whatever realization 'Buddha boy' may or may not have had...it is certain he is being managed by hucksters.


Edited by harlan (11/23/05 10:16 AM)

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#207356 - 11/23/05 10:48 AM Re: New Buddha?? [Re: harlan]
Ed_Morris Offline
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maybe 'message' was a bad choice of words in this case...I should have said 'inspiration' maybe?

managed by hucksters? I'm sure THAT has never happened before
This isn't a new concept. How many things are blown out of proportion to make points to fit an agenda? relay someones unedited words of wisdom verbatum and nobody will follow you. spice the story up with some miracles and colorful language and people will be lined up at your door to sign up.

It's all about perception and how some guide the perception of others in order to meet an objective.

I walked the fence on this because I didn't want to offend anyone with my secular non-trust of people using spirituality as a tool for thought manipulation and values alignment to meet their very earthy goals and agendas.

....oops, I just fell off the fence


Edited by oldman (11/23/05 11:55 AM)

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#207357 - 11/23/05 10:56 AM Re: New Buddha?? [Re: Ed_Morris]
harlan Offline
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"Examine your teachers carefully."

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#207358 - 11/23/05 11:08 AM Re: New Buddha?? [Re: harlan]
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I've got to agree, but to play the devils advocate...

This boy has two obviously polar sides to this. He has said "I am not a Buddha", and to my knowledge he is not getting any money from the sale of the pictures or the Tea...

On the other hand. He did say "I am not a buddha, yet, I am along the levels of a Rinponche"

anyone proclaiming to be a Rinponche doesn't gain my respect. Such a title is not something one claims for themselves.

Any radical extreme of action does not strike me as a very Buddha/Boddhisatva/enlightened course of action.

Although on the other hand, sometimes it takes an act of extremism to center things on the middle path, yes?

In the end, it is meaningless to us, to any Buddhist or meditation practitioner what he finds there.

The path of Buddhism is not walked behind those who strive for enlightenment, but by cutting your own course. If you stay behind those strive to become a Buddha, you will never quite reach enlightenment will you?


Its an interesting story, don't get me wrong. I just don't think it should impact anyones practice more than a "Hmm. Interesting" and then let it go. The true practice of Zen.
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