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#205659 - 11/19/05 02:46 PM
Re: Knuckle pushups
[Re: JasonM]
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punching with the last three knuckles in my class earns you at least 10 push ups!!! because it's easier to break your pinky and ring finger knuckles.it makes sense to do it with my first 2 knuckles though it might feel natural to punch with last three it's not recomended to people who are just starting.i personally feel that with the right kinds of conditioning you can strike however you want but. i wouldn't suggest doing anything but first 2 knuckles when you are a beginner. hey dragon fire do you practice doing the full twist,3/4 twist,or vertical punch the way you are talking it seems that you do full twist cause the way you said it feels more natural to punch with the last 3 knuckles if this is so try doing a punch with only 3/4 turn with your elbow pointing down this way it's more natural to punch with the first 2 knuckles.sorry for derailing the thread so in lew of that i will say knuckle push ups are an excellent way to condition the wrist and knuckles for punching.even though i am just starting to do theese kinds of push ups outside of class i can already tell the difference when i strike the heavy bag i can punch much harder now with out folding my wrist.
Edited by chickenchaser (11/19/05 02:49 PM)
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#205660 - 11/19/05 05:16 PM
Re: Knuckle pushups
[Re: chickenchaser]
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Where you trained to use the last three, or just adopted it because it feels natural? I am hesitant about hitting witht he last three, cuz one time I did and broke those knuckles...
You obviously hadn't done enough press-ups on your last 3 knuckles! 
Oh, and I use my first two knuckles, because in TKD these are the principle striking knuckles. I guess it depends what style of punch you use.
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punching with the last three knuckles in my class earns you at least 10 push ups!!! because it's easier to break your pinky and ring finger knuckles.it makes sense to do it with my first 2 knuckles though it might feel natural to punch with last three it's not recomended to people who are just starting.i personally feel that with the right kinds of conditioning you can strike however you want but. i wouldn't suggest doing anything but first 2 knuckles when you are a beginner. hey dragon fire do you practice doing the full twist,3/4 twist,or vertical punch the way you are talking it seems that you do full twist cause the way you said it feels more natural to punch with the last 3 knuckles if this is so try doing a punch with only 3/4 turn with your elbow pointing down this way it's more natural to punch with the first 2 knuckles.sorry for derailing the thread so in lew of that i will say knuckle push ups are an excellent way to condition the wrist and knuckles for punching.even though i am just starting to do theese kinds of push ups outside of class i can already tell the difference when i strike the heavy bag i can punch much harder now with out folding my wrist.
Nice points ChickenChaser, but would you mind using a bit more punctuation. My eyes are hurting after reading your post!
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#205661 - 11/19/05 06:37 PM
Re: Knuckle pushups
[Re: Supremor]
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so sorry i am working on that. i don't usually puncuate in forums. but people are complaining so i am trying to re teach myself to do it on here at least!!! sorry man 
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#205662 - 11/19/05 06:53 PM
Re: Knuckle pushups
[Re: chickenchaser]
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Technically, punching with the last three is more correct as far as bone alignment goes. The force of the punch is also spread across 3 knuckles as opposed to 2, so it's not as unsafe as some may think.
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#205663 - 11/19/05 10:18 PM
Re: Knuckle pushups
[Re: Alicia]
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Im not sure if there good or bad for your knuckles but I know from expiernce that if you do them, it hurts a lot less when you break a brick or board with your fist.
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#205664 - 11/20/05 04:33 AM
Re: Knuckle pushups
[Re: TaeKwonMiles]
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Incidently, my instructor does knuckle push-ups, but he jumps while he does them. That has gotta hurt!
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#205665 - 11/20/05 02:05 PM
Re: Knuckle pushups
[Re: Cownose]
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Technically, punching with the last three is more correct as far as bone alignment goes. The force of the punch is also spread across 3 knuckles as opposed to 2, so it's not as unsafe as some may think.
In most Taekwondo schools it is taught to punch only with the first two knuckles as the last three are more likely to break as being smaller bones. This obviously has been tested for numerous of years even before Taekwondo was invented and I have seen it in Karate and Kung Fu (much older arts). And this is the only way to safely break boards with your fist.
Now if you are a boxer or MMA fighter the last 3 knuckles are the easiest way to do it. Don't confuse this ever with being right or wrong as these type of fighters have their hands taped prior to putting on their gloves. This enforces the hand/knuckle area to prevent breaks.
For an example lets look at Mike Tyson. There is no doubt that this guy can hit and hit hard. Guy punches with his last three knuckles very effectively. This knuckle head years ago got into a fender bender and punched out the other driver AND broke both of his hands due to he is used to having his hands taped. If he would have hit with bare "un-taped" hands with this first two knuckles ... more then likely his hands would have been fine.
First two knuckles untaped ... last 3 knuckles when taped. I've never broken either hands when breaking boards ... a lot of boards ... when I use my first two knuckles ... as taught by "qualified" Instructors who know what they are talking about.
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#205666 - 11/20/05 03:43 PM
Re: Knuckle pushups
[Re: Dereck]
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And this is the only way to safely break boards with your fist.
Not true. I don't regularly break boards because I don't consider it a valid training method, but awhile ago I took some (already broken) boards from a Taekwondo demo and had no problems breaking them into smaller pieces without adjusting my technique. When I punch I keep my wrist straight, meaning that I usually make contact with my last 3 knuckles. I don't think that it really matters at all which knuckles you hit with, I think it's really just a matter of knowing to keep your fist tight and having a strong grip.
With the Tyson thing, it's possible that his fists weren't as tight as they could have been because he's used to wearing gloves, or maybe he punches harder than his grip can handle, or maybe he was just hitting the guy in the skull. There's no way to tell, so you can't really use him as an example like that. You don't even know if he was really using his last 3 knuckles.
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#205667 - 11/20/05 08:45 PM
Re: Knuckle pushups Cownose
[Re: Cownose]
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Registered: 10/30/05
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Perhaps try that technique on a concrete tile/slab/block or I can send you a description of my maki wari and then try it on that?. Please let me know the results?
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#205668 - 11/20/05 08:48 PM
Re: Knuckle pushups Cownose
[Re: NEAS]
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Obviously, breaking concrete would take a certain amount of specialization in the area of breaking things. Luckily for me, humans are not as hard as concrete, and I don't need much help defending against inanimate objects.
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