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#205519 - 03/13/06 01:31 AM Re: Krav Maga or Kenpo? [Re: BrianS]
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First of all to say that a "system" is better or worse than any other system is ridiculous. I know TKD guys who are extremely good street fighters and it has more to do with their attitude than anything else. As a former Latosa Escrima student I will tell you that Krav techniques will not work against any stick fighter who is waiting for you to attack them, it is simply better to remove yourself from the situation.

As far as being attacked by a judo or BJJ student goes this is a hot button for me because I live in Las Vegaas and we have a million BJJ or MMA schools preaching ground and pound. In a street fight there are many other elements that do not exist in the "octagon" by the way all of the male groupies of the UFC make me absolutely sick to my stomach.Every A-hole who has taken a judo class now believes that he is Matt Hughes, but I digress.

The whole idea of taking someone to the ground on the street and remaining on the ground with them is laughable. The guys friends are going to stomp your head into the pavement. Worse than that the guy you took to the ground will pull his knife or gun and you will have bigger problems. Additionally you will not have the "comfort" of rolling around on the padded mat which is a huge factor and lastly most people forget that in the ring eye gouges and kicks to the knees and groin and throat are not allowed and therefore a false sense of security is given to the "grappler".

I was in a bar in Vegas and I was wearing one of my Krav Maga shirts and a drunken BJJ "black belt" began harrasing me. I tried to ignore him and even attempted to leave. He stepped in front of me and then attempted to "shoot in" I fell against the bar and while he was attempting a "text book take down" I grabbed a bottle of MGD and busted his head open.

Let's just say that I went home that night and he went to visit one of the fine medical facilities in town. My response to grappling questions is simple:Do whatever you have to do to get off the ground!

I am sorry for the long response but this topic really gets me going.


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#205520 - 03/13/06 05:56 AM Re: Krav Maga or Kenpo? [Re: dhatcher]
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I agree with you, kenpo is a great system for self defense, especially against multiple attackers. I myself was not happy practicing forms, I found them to be useless. Kenpo is basically considered a new art and specially Ed pakers, Ralph Castros and Kajukenpo which all the techniques were modified to deal with modern scenerios. You my no longer know how to deal with an horseman but you know what to do if your ever attacked at the bus stop.
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#205521 - 03/13/06 06:02 AM Re: Krav Maga or Kenpo? [Re: PSYOPS]
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Relax tough guy, I know how you feel about UFC and ground grapplers and their faith in ground techniques. Although I have very little knowledge in ground techniques, I am very well versed in striking techniques. I am a big believer in vital points. A poke to the eye and a shot to the groin will have any ground and pound wishing he didn't go there.

For the record the latest by Royce Gracie on self defense, he states although Bjj system as shown how a defender who has been taken to the ground is not copletely helpless, they still avoid ground techniques in self defense and admit that it is mostly for sport. Bjj stil teach upright/standing classic jujutsu technques for self defense.
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#205522 - 03/13/06 05:58 PM Re: Krav Maga or Kenpo? [Re: TeK9]
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Really?

That's funny because I have seen videos of Gracie family members as well as some of the "top students" in Brazil purposely starting fights so that they could practice thier techniques for ground and pound. I also witnessed this in Brazil where fighting is not viewed as a serious infraction.

My comments were not directed toward all ground fighters. However in general there is not one valid reason to roll around on the ground with someone in a streetfight!

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#205523 - 03/14/06 01:24 AM Re: Krav Maga or Kenpo? [Re: PSYOPS]
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Call me crazy,but isn't this thread about Krav or Kenpo?
Not a "I don't do groundfighting so I bash it" thread?
I'm just sayin'.
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#205524 - 03/14/06 05:59 AM Re: Krav Maga or Kenpo? [Re: BrianS]
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This is a good point for me to remind folks I have very little tollerance for bashing any form, system or method. Debate is a great thing as long as we keep respect firmly in mind.

Comaparison of any two forms or systems is bound to cause some opinions, even some heated opinions...lets just keep it respectful.

And as Brian noted, this is about Kempo and Krav...so let's stay on topic please.

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#205525 - 03/14/06 02:07 PM Re: Krav Maga or Kenpo? [Re: sqtrainer]
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Since I didn't notice anyone else mention it, I'd also try to decide which instructor/school I liked best. Either of these arts, well taught, will give you several years of challenging, rewarding experience. Personally, I'd try like hell to avoid a two-hour round trip drive to train.

Just saying "kenpo" tells you no more about the flavor of that ryu or school than just saying karate or kungfu. I study Okinawan kenpo, which (as te or kara-te) predates both Japanese karate and American kenpo. The dojo I attend is a jutsu rather than a do school. But that is a ryu and instructor related fact, rather than a kenpo fact. You need to go see to know.

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#205526 - 03/15/06 12:16 AM Re: Krav Maga or Kenpo? [Re: Joss]
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Quote:

I study Okinawan kenpo, which (as te or kara-te) predates both Japanese karate and American kenpo.




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#205527 - 03/15/06 08:22 AM Re: Krav Maga or Kenpo? [Re: BrianS]
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Substitute "newer" for "older" and your statement is still true. But then my point was simply to establish the historical context.

Your's?

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#205528 - 03/15/06 09:03 PM Re: Krav Maga or Kenpo? [Re: Joss]
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My point was to reinterate your implication.
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