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#204805 - 11/15/05 03:20 PM Original Wado?
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I am interested in taking up Wado Ryu, as this is the most prevalent style in the area. There are several different schools that I can attend, and I have actually been to a few classes with different dojos.

There remains one class that I have not presently attended; yet I intend to do this soon. I e-mailed the Sensei of the class. He explained that they taught original style of Wado, as Ohtsuka had developed it. He said they included all of Ohtsuka sword and knife techniques in their training of Wado Ryu Karate.

I was wondering, is there anyone who can tell me more about this? I am aware that some karate styles train with weapons, and that of course Ohtsuka was well versed in the art of ju jutsu. But is it correct that sword and knife training were part of original Wado Ryu (as the Sensei implied in his e-mail)?

I have tried to research this, but have not found much to confirm/deny this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. And please excuse any ignorance in the above post; my knowledge of Karate is light. Thanks to all who read this post.
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#204806 - 11/15/05 08:26 PM Re: Original Wado? [Re: Prizewriter]
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Hi .To the best of my knowledge and looking at Suzuki s early book on Wado they did a lot of sword and knife defence.I first started training in Wado 30 odd years ago and it was as per Suzuki s book but im not sure if they did knife and sword training.
http://www.wadoworld.com/articles/iwasaki/iwasaki.html
http://www.wadoworld.com/articles/iwasaki/iwasaki.html
I would suggest if you perhaps read these interviews?

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#204807 - 11/15/05 08:30 PM Re: Original Wado? [Re: Prizewriter]
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The reason that I use the term suzuki s book is even at that time there were people trying to earn money out of teaching karate who werent qualified. I used this publication to make sure what was being taught at the karate school was correct.

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#204808 - 11/16/05 03:15 AM Re: Original Wado? [Re: Prizewriter]
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Originally Wado did include knife defence and sword defence. Some Wado schools still include the knife defence but very few include the sword defence.
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#204809 - 11/16/05 11:33 AM Re: Original Wado? [Re: Prizewriter]
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I am interested in taking up Wado Ryu, as this is the most prevalent style in the area. There are several different schools that I can attend, and I have actually been to a few classes with different dojos.

There remains one class that I have not presently attended; yet I intend to do this soon. I e-mailed the Sensei of the class. He explained that they taught original style of Wado, as Ohtsuka had developed it. He said they included all of Ohtsuka sword and knife techniques in their training of Wado Ryu Karate.

I was wondering, is there anyone who can tell me more about this? I am aware that some karate styles train with weapons, and that of course Ohtsuka was well versed in the art of ju jutsu. But is it correct that sword and knife training were part of original Wado Ryu (as the Sensei implied in his e-mail)?

I have tried to research this, but have not found much to confirm/deny this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. And please excuse any ignorance in the above post; my knowledge of Karate is light. Thanks to all who read this post.




Wado as a style seems to have maintained some integrity, but has suffered many political upheavals. It is rather a victim of its own success in that it has spawned many off-shoots.

Master Ohtsuka who founded the style in the 1930s was a Jujutsu master of the old style before he started training in Okinawan Karate under G. Funakoshi. He blended elements of both systems and founded something new, Wado Ryu. Some things were entirely fresh and unique but other elements he took directly from his old style Jujutsu and some of these are seen in the Wado knife defences, Sword defences and nobody has mentioned the kneeling defences which are part of the root Wado syllabus and are pure old school Jujutsu!
It is true, not many Wado groups still train in all of these, but some of those nearest to the main trunk of the Wado 'tree' still do.

If you are interested in that aspect contact someone who still practices these. And, if you can find out who they learned them from all the better. I say this because they are very technical and can't be appreciated from a book or a video.

The sword, knife and kneeling techniques are very difficult for a beginner to access because you have to go through a whole load of other stuff before you can even begin to think about getting a handle on those. But ultimately if you are being taught properly from the beginning everything you are being introduced to sets you on a path which will result in an inevitable meeting with those advanced techniques.

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#204810 - 11/16/05 01:50 PM Re: Original Wado? [Re: Prizewriter]
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Thanks everyone, I have found every one of your responses helpful.
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#204811 - 11/17/05 11:10 AM Re: Original Wado? [Re: Prizewriter]
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I am not sure if I am too late to make any meaningfull contribution to this discussion, but I would say Wado is really the most truely Japanese of the Karate styles. The stances and body movement techniques are the same as Japanese sword fighting stances and movement techniques, sword and knife training is not practiced very widely but most wado schools will have swords on the walls and they will come down from time to time. I agree that wado may be the most technical Karate style by that I mean it has much smaller movements than other styles, its essence is subtlty, tat's why I chose it 17 years ago, it wil put even more emphasis on technical perfection and even less on physical attributes than the other major styles. If you would like to post the instructors name I can checck his credentials and e-mail you back privately.

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#204812 - 11/17/05 11:40 AM Re: Original Wado? [Re: WADO]
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reading through this and the interveiws i'm really glad my nearest karate school (i say school not dojo because it is held in a primary school hall) is wado-ryu, specifically ki-rin. does any know anything about ki-rin?
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#204813 - 11/17/05 06:57 PM Re: Original Wado? [Re: funstick5000]
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reading through this and the interveiws i'm really glad my nearest karate school (i say school not dojo because it is held in a primary school hall) is wado-ryu, specifically ki-rin. does any know anything about ki-rin?




Give me a little more info, or refer me to a website and I might be in a position to give you some additional information.

Trefathell

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#204814 - 11/17/05 07:38 PM Re: Original Wado?Trefathell [Re: Trefathell]
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training were part of original Wado Ryu (as the Sensei implied in his e-mail)?


Wado as a style seems to have maintained some integrity, but has suffered many political upheavals. It is rather a victim of its own success in that it has spawned many off-shoots.

Master Ohtsuka who founded the style in the 1930s was a The sword, knife and kneeling techniques are very difficult for a beginner to access because you have to go through a whole load of other stuff before you can even begin to think about getting a handle on those. But ultimately if you are being taught properly from the beginning everything you are being introduced to sets you on a path which will result in an inevitable meeting with those advanced techniques.








Hi I have found the sword kneeling techniques etc and I now remember the advanced grades training in them(long time ago) I have just obtained a book on early ju jitsu methods and low and behold some techniques that are now being taught as cage fight techniques are in there.But there isnt that many. I am always on the look out for this kind of thing. Do you know of any publications ? thanks neas.
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