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#204486 - 11/24/05 06:25 AM Re: being well conditioned for the streets [Re: Belnick]
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At some point it stops becoming self defense and becomes assault.




what about defending your self of his revenge to come
I know if I got beaten(unfairly in priciples) I would revenge 6months later or when ever I was out of the hospital, so I must count on that the guy I am fighting would do the same...






With that kind of logic you'd have to kill everyone you fight with. Besides,I don't that would stand up in court.
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#204487 - 11/30/05 08:35 PM Re: being well conditioned for the streets [Re: BrianS]
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Quote:

Quote:

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At some point it stops becoming self defense and becomes assault.




what about defending your self of his revenge to come
I know if I got beaten(unfairly in priciples) I would revenge 6months later or when ever I was out of the hospital, so I must count on that the guy I am fighting would do the same...






With that kind of logic you'd have to kill everyone you fight with. Besides,I don't that would stand up in court.




Consider this a warning Subduei


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#204488 - 12/02/05 05:41 PM Re: being well conditioned for the streets [Re: nekogami13 V2.0]
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i belive u must study your opponent and see and figure out his patern. yes this is rule the more expirence you are the better youll be in a street fight but they pull a gun on u then wat

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#204489 - 12/02/05 06:27 PM Re: being well conditioned for the streets [Re: knuckles_3]
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i belive u must study your opponent and see and figure out his patern. yes this is rule the more expirence you are the better youll be in a street fight but they pull a gun on u then wat




I take it you're a street fighter then?
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#204490 - 12/12/05 08:45 AM Re: being well conditioned for the streets [Re: Leo_E_49]
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My point:
I can see here posts from tough martial artists. I assume that most of you are hug guys, with strong bodies, well trained, etc.

BUT, here goes my argument: which person is more likeable to suffer aggresion from criminals: a full of muscles Hercules, or the defenseless old woman, the child, the crippled, and other risky groups?

I guess that if we study how criminals REALLY attack, we shall find many more women than athletes being victimized, many more children than martial artists being attacked, and many more lone old ladies at their houses being strangled than tough UFC competitors fired to death. The thug wants a victim and not a fight, this is an axioma. So, why the emphasis in physical conditioning, when this emphasis will let out of the Self Defense forums precisely to the persons with more chance of suffer violent attacks? Will our granmas practice TKD with 80 years? Will my wife, a professional at the university, thin woman, 35, kick the hell out of an Edmund Kemper, or my 6-8 years old boy defeat a pederast ex - convict armed with a knife? Sure!!! Conditioning for all of them and good training on the best style is the answer!!!! BS.

PSYCHOLOGICAL SELF DEFENSE is the answer, NOT fighting. We love talk about fighting (is OK, we are Martial Artists after all) but not everybody can´t fight like us, and those are the persons in greatest danger from criminals!!!!

Next time you are going to proclaim the physical conditioning theory, think about a crippled guy on a wheelchair being attacked to death by a psycho, without time to catch his own weapon. Yeah, the teory is a good one (I believe in fitness) but not UNIVERSAL. So, it is not the entire truth, Awareness and avoidance is.
My humble opinion.
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#204491 - 12/12/05 12:31 PM Re: being well conditioned for the streets [Re: dud]
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Good day. new kid on this block... I've been reading with interest back to the Nov. timeframe, and what seems to be happening in a round about way is that on most levels, mose everyone agrees! I know that sounds a bit strange, come with me for a minute, or three.

I'm thinking this post was originally intended for those with functioning body parts, some level of training (or desire to train), and an age of some physical maturity... On that point I have to say anaerobics training is an ESSENTIAL, deriving from the "15 second adrenaline dump to 3 minutes of recovery" principle.

The underscored and unstated phrase here, however, seems to be: "it depends", and dud has touched on one of the more VERY significant points.

Who IS a mugger going to attack, one who knows how to look the look, walk the walk, etc., or wheel chair person taking the alleyway shortcut home? (BTW, my first teacher was a frail looking from-the-knees-down amputee 'Nam vet in a 'chair who showed me stub legs to the 'plexus is just as nasty! He was admittedly, far from typical, but among several lessons learned: ya just never know...)but I digress. Answer of course, is the obvious "who do you think the coward is going to target?" question

Anyway, in summ:
1) Awareness/avoidance/prevention - absolutely !
2) Anerobics - yes, very.
3) learning "keep it simple" defense - no doubt.
to ignore any of these is signature self-protection failure potential. ESPECIALLY #1... on #3, remember that "any means necessary" also includes handing it (wallet, watch, replaceables) over, and running!

I hope I didn't miss dud's point, that not everyone has the capacity or physical capability to train in the conventional anaerobic methods.. so the question still remains: what - if any - physical training potentials CAN be developed for the "challenged" as mentioned in dud's thread (young, old, handicap, etc)?
Is the answer here, again, "it depends"?

Thanks for reading my babble.
Train hard, Train smart !

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#204492 - 12/13/05 03:00 PM Re: being well conditioned for the streets [Re: eljukavi]
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Quote:

I hope I didn't miss dud's point, that not everyone has the capacity or physical capability to train in the conventional anaerobic methods.. so the question still remains: what - if any - physical training potentials CAN be developed for the "challenged" as mentioned in dud's thread (young, old, handicap, etc)?
Is the answer here, again, "it depends"?




eljukavi: maybe in the Dojo I can teach those persons things like: when he grabs your throat, make him a Te Gatame or whatever. In the DOJO everythings is cool! On Reality? See the news. They are the answer.

I believe in fitness. Everyday I try to make a lot of push ups, lift weights, etc, etc. I am a 35 years old man who is in a good physical shape to be a professional that just makes an office´s work. But I think on a future: when I will be 65 - 70 years old. If I have to face a home invasion, etc. Will I be fit? Sure I won´t! Is this possible: since the criminal mindset: TOTALLY.

Maybe someone will tell me about old masters that posess a great KI even though they are physically wasted. Well, for a Demonstration in the Budokan, sounds great. Not for real life. I believe in having a lot of awareness and enough psychology to survive. I read this article: 'The Golden Second' on Realfighting.com, about elders under attack from muggers and ways of defending themselves. This guy (Bill Langlois I think) KNOWS what he writes because he was a decoy for LA PD. I advice anyone here to read this article and to think about the real VICTIMS of violence.

We think too much as martial artists, but we are only a small portion of mankind. And the others? Can everybody fight like a Martial Artist? No. Can everybody survive (a concept different to fight) violence? I am optimist. I think that with good brains, everybody can.
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