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#203658 - 11/18/05 03:06 PM Re: How important is lineage? [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
Ed_Morris Offline
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Registered: 11/04/05
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yes I know, didn't mean to sound insensitive-just being a goof.

so, where can the thread go from here? don't know, so I'll just give my personal feelings on lineage... while I'm fascinated by the history and trying to figure out how things came to be how they are... at the same time, I feel a neutral pride in lineage - it's not the same kind of pride or in the same personal way like in blood-family lineage.
just babbling...maybe the thread's tapped.

#203659 - 11/18/05 03:44 PM Re: How important is lineage? [Re: Ed_Morris]
BrianS Offline
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Registered: 11/04/05
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Loc: Northwest Arkansas
The thread is tapped,maybe someone can add to it in the future. Until then here's my lineage.

Brian Stone - 2nd dan,I was taught by Randy Allen 4th dan,Dale Simmons 4th dan and Jasper Smith 5th dan,Randy was taught by Dale and Jasper,Jasper and Dale were taught by Dino Cadelli and Lou Angel(then it was goju kai,I believe)Lou Angel was taught by Peter Urban and got his 3rd dan through Gogen Yamaguchi.Lou Angel is 10th dan now,but I'm not sure how that transpired. Peter Urban was taught by Yamaguchi,but split to form U.S.A. Goju due to a misunderstanding betwen them. Gogen Yamaguchi was under Chojun Myagi(founder of Goju-Ryu)as well as others I believe. That's far enough back for everyone,especially me, and has little impact on my current training.
The2nd ammendment, it makes all the others possible. <///<

#203660 - 11/18/05 03:55 PM Re: How important is lineage? [Re: BrianS]
oldman Offline
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Registered: 07/28/04
Posts: 5884
Myself, edan, Master Tomas Duncan 6th dan, Yong Taek Chung 9th dan sometimes spelled Jung, Won Kuk Lee founder of Chung Do Kwan (deceased) sometimes spelled Yee, Gichin Funikoshi founder of Shotokan.

#203661 - 11/18/05 04:08 PM Re: How important is lineage? [Re: oldman]
Bushi_no_ki Offline

Registered: 05/03/05
Posts: 1669
Loc: POM, Monterey CA
So far for me, I was taught by Al Myrtle, Who was originally taught by someone else (I don't know who), but currently falls under Richard "Huk" Planas, Who was taught by Ed Parker, who was taught by William K. S. Chow, who was taught by James Mitose, and I still don't know where to go from there.

#203662 - 11/18/05 04:42 PM Re: How important is lineage? [Re: BrianS]
Ed_Morris Offline
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it was easier for me to just draw a pic:

#203663 - 11/18/05 05:48 PM Re: How important is lineage? [Re: Ed_Morris]
hedkikr Offline
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Registered: 02/28/05
Posts: 2827
Loc: Southern California, USA
Wow! Nice pedigree.

But my style is mightier than yours. We must fight to uphold the honor of our masters & see who is stronger.

#203664 - 11/18/05 06:17 PM Re: How important is lineage? [Re: hedkikr]
UofM Shorin Ryu Offline
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Registered: 02/07/05
Posts: 981

I'm gonna post up my "lineage" without mentioning my first intructor's name, cause I don't know how he'd feel about that...Better to just play it safe...

Me, Taught by:
Spanish teacher Taught by:
Norb Donnelley

Wing Chun:
Me, Spanish teacher, Garner Train, Ip Ching.
Spanish Teacher mentioned he met Ip Ching once, and did Chi Sau with him....buena por Úl, mal por mi...

Arnis Sikaran:
Me, Spanish Teacher, Grandmaster Bong Jornales

Shorin Ryu:
I was taught by some brown and blacks who are in his AA studio.

I have no belts in WC, Insshin Ryu, or Arnis .
I gots 2 stripes on a white belt for Shorin Ryu , whatever that makes me....

Frankly, my breakdancing "lineage" is far more impressive...
Alea iacta est ~ Gauis Julius Caesar Ne quis nimis ~ Solon Nuts to cancer ~ Sanchin31

#203665 - 11/18/05 10:47 PM Re: How important is lineage? [Re: UofM Shorin Ryu]
phoenixsflame Offline

Registered: 11/12/05
Posts: 402
Loc: Chicago, Illinois
Shito-Ryu Lineage

Duncan Nosworthy, 1st Dan

Taught by Hanshi Minobu Miki

Taught by (But not exclusively) the late Soke Kenzo Mabuni.

Taught by the late Soke (and founder of Shito Ryu) Kenwa Mabuni

Taught by... Well, you get the picture. Anyone who knows Karate's history will recognize the Mabuni line.

I was lucky enough to meet with Soke Kenzo Mabuni (son of Kenwa) once, I didn't speak to him, he just bowed and went on his way, lol.
Thats basically it,
While everything changes, nothing is truly lost.

#203666 - 11/18/05 10:57 PM Re: How important is lineage? [Re: hedkikr]
Ed_Morris Offline
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Posts: 6772

But my style is mightier than yours. We must fight to uphold the honor of our masters & see who is stronger.

I pictured you saying that with your lip movement not matching the words. pointing and clenching your fist.

#203667 - 11/21/05 11:10 PM Re: How important is lineage? [Re: Ed_Morris]
Sensei Paul Hart Offline
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Registered: 12/05/03
Posts: 279
Loc: Lehigh Acres, Florida
My lineage is rather short.
Peichin Takahara
Satunuku Tode Sakugawa
Sokon Bushi Matsumura
Chosho Chibana
Shinyei Hanashiro

My lineage is important to me, much as yours should also be important to you. To know your lineage is to give homeage to your arts founders and masters that have went before. A Shinto concept but one we all should learn from.
Paul Hart

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