Dr. K

"Bruce Lee would kick your ass"

Of course he could--course he would have to actually rise from the dead to do it--which would be a much better trick than "kicking my ass."

What's your point?

The fact that Lee, while alive could have turned me into a grease spot has nothing to due with your way off base statements about Lee's status as "Yip Mans #1 student" Lees "streetingfight", his "humble" attitude, or many of his attributied quotes and ideas actuallly coming from other sources.

Lee was, in many ways, a very impressive guy. Someone that should be respected for what he accomplished.

Unfortunatly, for many the "Myth" overshadows the man and his real accomplishments.

I think thats a shame.

It's like anyone ELSE that dies at a young age -- their myth tends to overstate the person that they actually were. This often grows with time after the passing of the individual. Its definitely happened with Lee.

JKD isn't "about" Lee however. That's what most people don't understand.

-John

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kyokushinkid_9 :

Listen kid, that's the second GENITAL referrence that you've made on this forum. I have line on you now and see what your whole thing is about here. I would just report you to the moderator, but I'm giving you a warning here to straighten up if you want to be a part of this forum.

You can either contribute to the talk here, or cheapen it as you have so far. If THAT is what you decide to do however, the moderator WILL be in touch with you.

-John

Bruce Lee was exceptional student and Yip Man's best student. But he wasnt a perfect martail artist and especially not humble. He published a best selling book that said "I could beat any man on the planet". Great example. But I do train in his fighting "ideas" as he called it.

I cannot believe my ears. Was Bruce Lee a figher? Let's take a moment to really analyze that question.

First off, I keep hearing the term "professional fighting record". What does it professional fighting record have to do with whether or not someone can really fight. Professional fights have rules, restrictions, rounds, tap outs, etc. You can't compare a sport to an all-out brawl.
Lee and others have stated that he has street fights. Bob Wall witness and noted that the other guy WAS VERY GOOD. Bob was a champ wouldn't he know good when he witnessed it? He said Lee mopped the floor with the guy. A well-known champion boxer (Shamba Mitchell) got his butt KICKED but a guy in the DC area in street fight. This is after he'd racked up tons of KO's in the ring. There are numerous instances where Pro's are beaten in street fights by ordinary people using real world fight tactics. A pro fighting record is worthless in a street brawl.

COMMENT BY JOE LEWIS, NOORIS AND OTHERS: Lee never physically sparred with these guys and it wasn't the point of the sessions anyway. I don't believe they would endorse a lame. I have read statements from Lewis that suggests Bruce was exceptional. Lewis couldn't judge him as a fighter because he didn't know to judge. But, he respected the man enough to take time out of his life train with and learn from him. If Lee were a lame, then why would Lewis or Norris waste their time? Bob Wall said he would not dare get in a ring with Bruce. Sammo Hung said the same thing and he has a reputation as a real fighter. You mean to tell me all those respected people who are legends in their own right are telling lies just to sustain the legend of Bruce Lee? What do they have to gain by doing that?

Not learning from a teacher you can beat: Learning and fighting are two different mediums. I've heard a few people state that they would not want to learn from someone they could beat. That goes to show the narrow mindedness of those individuals. A teacher is their to give you knowledge and expand your viewpoint. If you can beat him physically that does not mean that he doesn't have knowledge that can make you a better fighter. Beating him doesn't mean his technique is flawed. Issues like size, weight and strength differences. The teacher physical state at the time, etc. Cus could not beat Tyson in a fight, but Tyson would not have won without Cus's insights and wisdom. See the connection?

GENE LABELL: Labell supposedly subdued Lee. Good. I believe that Lee would have wanted that in order to learn from it. He and Labell were not enemies. In order to learn from a master you have to subject yourself to techniques of that system. If he doesn't how can he excell? There is no way Lee is going to grapple with a grappling master and win without first knowing the ins and outs of the system. When Ali was stepped in a ring to spar, he got knocked around by the other guy who knew the ropes already. When he learned it was a different story.

LEE AS AN INNOVATOR: Lee was an innovator. He was cross-training in the 60s. THE 60s!!!! Most people were still stuck in their perspective systems. He was already teaching freedom. Sure it had been written about but how many were ACTUALLY doing it and expanding on those earlier writings. Certainly not Lewis, Norris or any other known Pro fighter. This is WHY they gravitated to Lee. Because knowledge base was so much broader ANDDDD because he had taken the time to test techniques of one system against those of another and then combine and mix movements and stikes. They did not have this knowledge and wanted it, so they studied with the man who had it, LEE. Hendrix didn't invent guitar playing, nor did he invent the notion of doing it differently. However, he added his 2 cents and that inspired others to take a different path. Lee did the same thing.

OTHER GUYS IN LEE'S TIME WHO WERE AS GOOD AS HIM: One guy, the individual who uses the word "mate" a lot, says he has a list of fighters who would KO lee.

Stop talking and post that list. Then state why these guys would KO Lee.

Certainly there were others who were equal to him in some respects. But you must consider the total package. Knowledge, work ethic, innovative thought, creativity, physical ability, mental attitude, focus, etc. Lee had all of these in abundance. That sets him apart from others of his day.

This guy said people TODAY have surpassed Lee. I would hope so. We are a species of continual evolution. If anything were stagnated, we'd be driving horse buggies around still. Lee's been dead 30 years so yes some modern martial artist may have surpassed him, but I dare you to name one who wasn't at least slightly influenced by his insights.

Give the man is credit. He wasn't just a run of the mill martial artist, he was special. Now that's not saying he was the best, but he was special.

I also wonder how much truth is behind the Legend that is Bruce Lee's fighting abilities. The only proof that I ever find to keep me as a die hard Bruce Lee fan is the fact that he is the ONLY person I've ever seen or heard of to knock a man off his feet with a one inch punch. That cant be disputed. The second thing is the pictures that I always see of him training and his partner thats holding a kicking bag goes flying accross the room.

Take this into consideration when pondering whethere Bruce Lee was the Truth or just hollywood glamour.

Okie

Actually MANY people have duplicated the famous "one inch" punch.

Thats true. The "one inch punch" is no longer a secret. The cats out of the bag. Well, been out I should say.
There are books out that show the technique involved. Hell, everybody should already know the mechanics of it by now. Its just a gimick really.

A common misconception is that the punch is a push. Not true. While many can attempt the 1"Punch and can push someone down, the real technique is relaxing and totally concentrating all your energy into an accual punch.

What were we talking about anyway....??

Oh yes, I remember now. This thread as been absolutly run into the ground.

R.I.P

[This message has been edited by DragonFire1134 (edited 07-06-2004).]

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Okie
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Aw, now Im gettin ripped on by someone from Dorathy's home state.... lol