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#203212 - 11/09/05 12:06 PM Drunken Boxing
IronBones Offline
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Registered: 09/08/05
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I'd like to learn Drunken Fist. Anybody know where a school is in Illinois?

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#203213 - 11/13/05 02:30 PM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: IronBones]
Victor Smith Offline
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Ironbones,

Except in movies there isn't a Drunken system.

Rather a number of Chinese system have forms using drunken technique. They are normally considered among the most advanced forms in those systems and take a great deal of study to get to the point of learning them.

Modern Chinese WuShu has some dramatic acrobatic/drunken styles, they rely in incredible full body falling techniques, head springs (using the head and neck instead of he hands and arms), etc. and are brutal on the body. If you don't start at a very, very, very young age it's likely you'll never condition yourself to do those falls, etc. And in turn by your mid 20's your body can rarely sustain those techniques any longer (ever year of 40 year old chapmion gymnasts either?).

Of course if you're referring to drunken by consuming a great quantity of alcohol and then trying to learn to fight, any system might be corrupted that way.

On the other hand in the modern world, perhaps there is somebody teaching drunken fist. If so expect to fall a great deal. you might find out if your bones live up to your handle.


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#203214 - 11/13/05 03:03 PM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: Victor Smith]
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Yes, Victor is right. Any systems that do teach the drunken style forms usually don't begin them until you are advanced level, as the physical demands are extremely rigorous. There is lots of falling, drop kicks and acrobatics, also a great deal of flexibility required, bending backwards etc.

I know some Choy Li Fut schools teach drunken forms at an advanced level, so you might want to look for one of those.

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#203215 - 11/14/05 06:32 AM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: WuXing]
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You won't find many authentic schools in the US. If you can learn Eight Drunken Immortals (an internal Taoist drunken form), then thats what I would study. But only if fighting is taught, which is not likely around the US or Tourist spots.
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#203216 - 01/09/06 01:48 AM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: BaguaMonk]
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The only Eight Drunken Immortal School I have ever heard of is the Green Dragon Studio outside of Akron ohio, I think Stow Ohio. The Sifu is Sifu John Allan, and I know he teaches that style of Kung Fu, again, as an advanced levels. Green Dragon sells videos of the styles they teach.

I would think that Chicago would have a good assortment of Kung Fu Schools since they have the largest Chinatown outside of California and New York.
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#203217 - 05/03/08 12:44 AM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: Savate]
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i can help?
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i have a screen capture of a form
http://rapidshare.com/files/112150733/Drunken_Form.rar.html
i am mastering it
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#203218 - 05/03/08 05:30 PM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: NicoJM]
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srry for not including this download also
the ENTIRE form
http://rapidshare.com/files/112332423/Sg3LME32qT0.rar.html
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#203219 - 05/14/08 10:57 AM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: NicoJM]
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Though it is a full complete system, i sometime find it hard to believe that it not a part of many systems but not a whole system to itself. I mean how many times can you fool someone to believing you are drunk and all this is happening by chance. Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on Me.


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#203220 - 05/14/08 11:50 AM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: Neko456]
Tashigae Offline
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I don't think the purpose of zui-quan is to fool the opponent into believing that you're actually drunk, the drunken-like motion are just a way to achieve great impredictability because of their erratic and seemingly random nature...

The process definitely works. For instance, the drunken trick that consists in striking systematically in a direction other than the one you're looking towards does wonders. Kind of a sucker punch, except it will work more than just once, and is therefore usable in a combat situation where the opponent is aware of what's coming... It's designed to trick the opponent's sub-conscious mechanics, not his conscious mind (as in making him believe you just got rat-arsed).

The process probably takes some 'intent' from the strikes thus reducing their power a bit (compared to a classical, regular karate strike for instance), but it's definitely a valuable ability to possess. The same goes for those funny moves designed to make you look off-balanced when you actually aren't.
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#203221 - 05/14/08 06:30 PM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: Tashigae]
WhiteDragon11 Offline
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Sorry I may be mistaken..

But isnt the purpose of attacking "drunk" to fool your opponent in making him think you are uncoordinated and flimsy. It is supposed to trick them into believing you dont have the capability of fighting...

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#203222 - 05/15/08 07:43 AM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: WhiteDragon11]
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I really doubt it (although I could be wrong). This might work for the one opening strike in a fight, but not any longer than that. If you successfully make that one strike a fight-ender, great; but if you don't, all those excruciatingly complex moves you've spent your life learning won't do you any more good than simple, regular ones. Definitely not worth making up a full system or even just a full taolu, especially not one as difficult to master as any drunken one systematically is.

I can tell from sparring experience that a particularly awkward but soundly designed move can trigger a mistaken fight-or-flight reaction and connect, when a regular one would have been blocked or dodged. I consider this process (present in some Japanese systems as well, in a different form, and in capoeira too) to be the basic idea of zui-quan.

Being currently studying an atrociously subtle drunken two-handed straightsword taolu (from tanglang quan), I can also testify that the mere hope to trick your opponent into underestimating you until your first strike connects isn't worth spending so much time on such %$*@}#&![definitely censored] forms.

Besides, unless you carry the drunken act to your whole life as a permanent thing (commendable dedication but not too practical ), I can hardly see how a potential opponent would be tricked by seeing you suddenly becoming drunk precisely at the moment when the hostile outcome becomes obvious... Definitely too many flaws in that doctrine.
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#203223 - 05/15/08 04:22 PM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: Tashigae]
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True that. You brought up some good points. I would then say it may be to give the opponent techniques they have never seen before, and get them with those. However, it would be easier like you said to just use normal attacks and not waste your time on the more tricky ones.

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#203224 - 05/20/08 08:52 PM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: WhiteDragon11]
Vern Offline
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Hello, I'm new to this form and looks great! I am also interested in the Drunken Fist style. I found this website that is dedicated to Drunken Boxing or (Zui Quan).

http://www.angelfire.com/retro/drunken/index2.html

The information on this site is really interesting and good! Enjoy guys!

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#203225 - 05/21/08 06:19 AM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: Vern]
WhiteDragon11 Offline
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Thats pretty cool. Looks like it might have some good info, but seems more of a Jackie Chan site.

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#203226 - 05/21/08 06:42 AM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: WhiteDragon11]
VietPanda Offline
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Registered: 07/05/07
Posts: 103
I agree with you guys, esp. making them underestimate your ability.

However, on a side note, I'd like to say that Zui Quan is definitely the most aesthetic and beautiful "category" of martial arts I have ever seen.
So even if it isn't worth the effort to learn it for a fight, I would definitely learn it for the wushu value
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#203227 - 06/12/08 11:07 AM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: Victor Smith]
everyone Offline
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Registered: 01/02/07
Posts: 597
Loc: USA
If the drunken techniques are for the very advanced, but you have to learn them when you are very very young, how does the math work on that?


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#203228 - 06/12/08 12:06 PM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: everyone]
Victor Smith Offline
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Everyone,

The forms which have been developed to demonstrate 'drunken' combat, in most representations, represent extreme acrobatics on the whole. They are more for demonstration and competition than for focused defense.

Because of the acrobatics, if you don't start young you won't get them down, such is the nature of human learning.

On the other hand one only has to drink to do drunken technqique, entirely different proposition.
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#203229 - 07/13/08 05:36 PM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: Victor Smith]
ironmonkeycrane Offline
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Registered: 07/13/08
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I am a student of drunken monkey kung fu. You should try that.

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