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#203222 - 05/15/08 07:43 AM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: WhiteDragon11]
Tashigae Offline
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Registered: 03/08/05
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Loc: Samarobriva, Gallia
I really doubt it (although I could be wrong). This might work for the one opening strike in a fight, but not any longer than that. If you successfully make that one strike a fight-ender, great; but if you don't, all those excruciatingly complex moves you've spent your life learning won't do you any more good than simple, regular ones. Definitely not worth making up a full system or even just a full taolu, especially not one as difficult to master as any drunken one systematically is.

I can tell from sparring experience that a particularly awkward but soundly designed move can trigger a mistaken fight-or-flight reaction and connect, when a regular one would have been blocked or dodged. I consider this process (present in some Japanese systems as well, in a different form, and in capoeira too) to be the basic idea of zui-quan.

Being currently studying an atrociously subtle drunken two-handed straightsword taolu (from tanglang quan), I can also testify that the mere hope to trick your opponent into underestimating you until your first strike connects isn't worth spending so much time on such %$*@}#&![definitely censored] forms.

Besides, unless you carry the drunken act to your whole life as a permanent thing (commendable dedication but not too practical ), I can hardly see how a potential opponent would be tricked by seeing you suddenly becoming drunk precisely at the moment when the hostile outcome becomes obvious... Definitely too many flaws in that doctrine.
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#203223 - 05/15/08 04:22 PM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: Tashigae]
WhiteDragon11 Offline
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True that. You brought up some good points. I would then say it may be to give the opponent techniques they have never seen before, and get them with those. However, it would be easier like you said to just use normal attacks and not waste your time on the more tricky ones.

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#203224 - 05/20/08 08:52 PM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: WhiteDragon11]
Vern Offline
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Registered: 05/20/08
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Hello, I'm new to this form and looks great! I am also interested in the Drunken Fist style. I found this website that is dedicated to Drunken Boxing or (Zui Quan).

http://www.angelfire.com/retro/drunken/index2.html

The information on this site is really interesting and good! Enjoy guys!

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#203225 - 05/21/08 06:19 AM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: Vern]
WhiteDragon11 Offline
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Registered: 05/02/07
Posts: 1165
Loc: Florida, United States
Thats pretty cool. Looks like it might have some good info, but seems more of a Jackie Chan site.

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#203226 - 05/21/08 06:42 AM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: WhiteDragon11]
VietPanda Offline
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Registered: 07/05/07
Posts: 103
I agree with you guys, esp. making them underestimate your ability.

However, on a side note, I'd like to say that Zui Quan is definitely the most aesthetic and beautiful "category" of martial arts I have ever seen.
So even if it isn't worth the effort to learn it for a fight, I would definitely learn it for the wushu value
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#203227 - 06/12/08 11:07 AM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: Victor Smith]
everyone Offline
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Registered: 01/02/07
Posts: 597
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If the drunken techniques are for the very advanced, but you have to learn them when you are very very young, how does the math work on that?


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#203228 - 06/12/08 12:06 PM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: everyone]
Victor Smith Offline
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Registered: 06/01/00
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Everyone,

The forms which have been developed to demonstrate 'drunken' combat, in most representations, represent extreme acrobatics on the whole. They are more for demonstration and competition than for focused defense.

Because of the acrobatics, if you don't start young you won't get them down, such is the nature of human learning.

On the other hand one only has to drink to do drunken technqique, entirely different proposition.
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#203229 - 07/13/08 05:36 PM Re: Drunken Boxing [Re: Victor Smith]
ironmonkeycrane Offline
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Registered: 07/13/08
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I am a student of drunken monkey kung fu. You should try that.

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