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#202995 - 11/11/05 10:03 AM Re: Alternative health [Re: Chanters]
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I went to the GP who basically told me if I still had it in a years time then it's not growing pains like he diagnosed.




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I had reflexology sessions twice a week for about 2 months, then 1 a week. After a year, the problem had almost dissappeared completely.




So...the doctor was right?
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#202996 - 11/11/05 10:36 AM Re: Alternative health [Re: JoelM]
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No. As I mentioned,

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I went for x-rays, had an MRI scan, had physio, went to see a podiatrist and finally went to see a knee specialist. None of them could help me. This took 3.5 years.




In the meantime, I went back to the doctors who then said it might be irritated knee joints?!?
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#202997 - 11/11/05 10:44 AM Re: Alternative health [Re: BuDoc]
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good points Doc.
out of curiosity, just so we know the bounds we are working in this thread: let me ask this to all the readers....has anyone ever received sucessful treatment or surgery from being the subject of an alien abduction?

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#202998 - 11/11/05 10:58 AM Re: Alternative health [Re: Ed_Morris]
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So you're telling me that the swelling in my knees, the fact that I couldn't walk properly because of the pain which I had for aproximately 3-4 years was because of the type of mood I was in? Blimey, I never knew that if I was given a massage to make me feel good could possibly do all that!

Believe me I was very skeptical but when I began to see the results, I had to admit that it was working. In one session, she told me to go to the doctors because she felt that there was something not quite right with my right kidney. I went and had various tests and an ultrasound and sure enough I had a kidney stone. I don't think people can be that specific purely from just '"massaging" my feet.

I believe certain alternative therapies can be of benefit but don't believe that they can replace orthodox medicine. Even in cases where alot of ailments are all in the mind, if people feel better, what's the harm? As long as they're not being ripped off and no-one is getting hurt I don't see a problem.
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#202999 - 11/11/05 11:26 AM Re: Alternative health [Re: Chanters]
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no problems here, mate.
I think the point was, even if there is 1 out of 1,000 with experiences such as yourself, it does not necessarily make it science or a cure. Does it make it any less real for you knowing the results you had are not reproducable? Of course not. but just keep an open mind to the possibility your cure might have been attributed to something else.
I had this insect bite that wouldn't go away...I was pretty sure it was a spider bite. I was just putting antibiotic cream on it and a bandage so I wouldn't scratch it. After about a month of no change in size, color or hardness, I finally made an appointment to see my Doctor. The appointment was for 2 weeks later since I was scheduled for a physical anyway. A couple of days after making the appointment, the light red bump got pale in color and smaller in size. by the time of my physical it was almost completely gone and healed.
Did the phone-call to the Doctor's office cure it?

sometimes it's just chance timing. If the appointment was made for the day that I called, I'd now be thinking my Dr. is a miracle worker! using gambling odds, the timing is going to be just right to appear as if something wonderful has happened.
Seeing a shooting star at the moment you realize a solution to a problem....picking up the phone to call someone and they are already on the line calling you...having a similar dream as someone else....etc

definitely cool experiences, and I wouldn't take them away from anybody...just don't try to convince me it's magic or a 'sign'.

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#203000 - 11/11/05 07:52 PM Re: Alternative health [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Whether or not any of the therapies work is not as interesting to me as the frame of mind that believes and the 'system'. I think that there are many shamanic and folk practices that have been adopted/adapted by New Agers...practices taken out of context and used without any sound studies.

I have just learned about Tibetian Medicine...which is firmly attached to the religious and worldview of the Tibetians. I'll be taking a 2 day workshop this weekend (as a sceptic, I guess I'll be a spy) on healing therapies in the Bon tradition. Maybe I'll have something interesting to contribute afterwards.

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#203001 - 11/11/05 10:17 PM Re: Alternative health [Re: harlan]
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"Why People Believe Weird Things: Pseudoscience, Superstition, and Other Confusions of Our Time."
by Michael Shermer

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#203002 - 11/11/05 10:27 PM Re: Alternative health [Re: harlan]
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Sounds interesting, harlan, I'd like to hear what you find out there.

Also, I apologize to you, Chanters, for misreading your post.
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#203003 - 11/14/05 03:05 AM Re: Alternative health [Re: JoelM]
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No probs JoelM!
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#203004 - 11/14/05 10:22 AM Re: Alternative health [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Yeah you're right... it was purely coincidental?!

So the the thread you set up, querying alternative therapies/treatment has now led you to question whether orthodox medicine actually works. If I suffer with a cold and the doctor gives me medication and my cold clears within 2 days is that a result of orthodox medicine or coincidence? If I sprain my ankle and went to the doctors for painkillers and within 1-2days I'm fine is that a result of taking the painkillers or could my ankle have healed naturally?

To summarise, you started out questioning alternative therapies/treatments but the questions and arguments you raise also apply to orthodox medicine.
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