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#20261 - 01/21/04 09:16 AM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
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Jkogas


Sorry but I have to disagree here.

From my perspective Lee didn't say or advocate much that had not already been said and done by others.

Even his famous "be like water" quote has its roots in the saying and works of others.

He was an absolute master of PR and promotion. He was relentless in his training and research into training.

Just don't think that his approach was as "novel" as many people think.

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#20262 - 01/21/04 09:27 AM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
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cxt,
I agree 100%.
JKogas,
Read "The Twenty Guiding Principles of Karate: The Spiritual Legacy of the Master" by Gichin Funakoshi. Bruce Lee merely repeated what had been said by many before.

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#20263 - 01/21/04 06:18 PM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
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But he aid it so that everyone could hear and understand it not just the eastern Martial arts world. Also the video of Bruce's demonstration doesnt prove that he could fight but it does show that he had the attributes of an amazing fighter. Sure Mike tyson and other boxers have power but look at the size difference. Bruce was 130 pounds. Proportionate to his body his forearms were bigger than anyone Ive ever met.

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#20264 - 01/21/04 07:45 PM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
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Rookie -- There's nothing new under the sun.


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#20265 - 01/22/04 07:59 AM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
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JKogas,
Touche! I can't agrue with that. However, if that is the case and we agree that he did not come up with his concepts, on what basis are you judging him "brilliant"?

[This message has been edited by rookie (edited 01-22-2004).]

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#20266 - 01/24/04 01:22 PM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
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Yep for his size he was a powerful man. Mike Tyson is fat @$$ loser. Sorry if I a little biased but I have a little trouble respecting that guy.

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#20267 - 01/24/04 03:03 PM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
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If there is indeed nothing new under the sun, there we could then argue that NO ONE is brilliant. But I think we all know better.

Lee's brilliance was in several areas; in his ability to think outside the box, his willingness to buck tradition and the politics thereof, his use of modern, athletic training methods at a time when very little was done in any modern sort of way.

So many people want things "spoon fed" to them. That's why people put so much faith in "styles", when styles aren't what fights for you. Lee was about freedom of thinking and chosing to do things in a different way. He was a maverick, and those types will always be seen as brilliant - providing that they have a method to their madness based in truth. His was.

In that sense, he was no more brilliant that perhaps so many others who've come about and gone. He just got more recognition because he was a movie star.
Jigoro Kano was ANOTHER brilliant martial arts "thinker" of his time. There were many, many others and always will be.

Perhaps brilliance is just the recognition of brilliance and the ability to see things simply (harder than one at first thinks).

-John

[This message has been edited by JKogas (edited 01-24-2004).]

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#20268 - 01/24/04 06:27 PM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
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Let me just say that I am against posts like these that somehow question other beliefs or choosen arts. Something people do alot on this forum. There is nothing you will get from posting something like this here, but comments and opinions that aren't worthy because the majority of response are from people who never trained in the criticized art and don't know what the heck they are talking about. On the other hand they can a fun way about learning about other arts in the process of people trying to defend and explain misunderstandings etc.

If you don't agree or understand something ask for clarification. If you still don't understand afterwards give it up and realize that it is due to your own persona beliefs and preferences. Therefore it is uneconomical to continue such a discussion that will lead nowhere.

The topic of discussion will change after a couple of posts. After the participants agree on the key subject they will single out and almost attack the other person for his individual differences on the agreed subject, even though the original topic of discussion was already been mutually agreed on. They won't stop until one of them feels he is totally right. On the other hand these post can be quite educational.

-Shotokan

[This message has been edited by Shotokan (edited 01-24-2004).]

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#20269 - 01/24/04 07:17 PM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
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If we don't question how can we grow?

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#20270 - 01/24/04 08:14 PM Re: Was Bruce Lee a fighter? And did he make JKD to actually be a fighting art?
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Question EVERYTHING!


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